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Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sun, 8 Jul 2001 04:06:47 GMT
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
> >
> > > They are one of the most extreme "animal rights" organizations. While I
> > > do feel there probably are some bad practices with animals, I don't
> > > think blowing up buildings, burning buildings, and other such
> > > destructive (and possibly endangering people) acts are at all a
> > > reasonable way to try and raise attention about animal exploitation.
> >
> > PETA does this? That's news to me! I've heard of PETA protests where people
> > threw pies and even animal blood on employees (mainly execs if I remember
> > correctly) of fur makers and cosmetics companies that use animals for
> > testing.
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> That's vandalism, which isn't quite as nonviolent a form of civil
> disobedience as some other ones, but it's small potatoes, I suppose.
> Actually hitting someone might be a bit of "assault", though.
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> > Where did you hear about the blowing up and burning of buildings?
> > Were these acts endorsed or sponsored by PETA or just randomly blamed on
> > them? I'm sure PETA, at least the PETA I know, would not formally or
> > informally endorse brutality to prevent brutality.
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> I'm with you on this, Dan. Their FAQ takes great pains to disassociate
> themselves from the ALF and charging PETA with the actions of every random
> Animal Rights activist is no more accurate than saying that the National
> Socialist Libertarian Green Party (or whatever it was) is Libertarian.
Well, perhaps I've lumped things together. It's something most of us do.
On the other hand, I'm not so sure they "distance" themselves from ALF,
they certainly mischaracterize the actions in this FAQ:
> "How can you justify the millions of dollars’ worth of property damage by the Animal Liberation
> Front (ALF)?"
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> Throughout history, some people have felt the need to break the law to fight injustice. The Underground
> Railroad and the French Resistance are both examples of people breaking the law in order to answer to a
> higher morality.
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> "The ALF," which is simply the name adopted by people acting illegally in behalf of animal rights, breaks
> inanimate objects such as stereotaxic devices and decapitators in order to save lives. It burns empty
> buildings in which animals are tortured and killed. ALF "raids" have given us proof of horrific cruelty that
> would not have been discovered or believed otherwise. They have resulted in officials’ filing of criminal
> charges against laboratories, citing of experimenters for violations of the Animal Welfare Act, and, in some
> cases, shutting down of abusive labs for good. Often ALF raids have been followed by widespread
> scientific condemnation of the practices occurring in the targeted labs.
Or perhaps the not so harmless building destruction is done by other
groups. That also sounds a bit like an "endorsement" to me.
--
Frank Filz
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