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Re: Ownership
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Date: 
Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:31:58 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
I've been having a crisis of faith over the past several months and tried to
bring it up unsuccessfully once before, but this ties into it.  To get to the
point, I'm having trouble justifying ownership.  The entire notion of ownership
actually.  This is only unsettling because ownership 'feels' so right.
Basically, I have demonstrated to myself that owning land is bogus and a rights
violating construct.

Really? I just thought it was just an extension of man's territorial nature
(maybe no different than dogs pissing on trees to mark territory).

But I started this thinking that land was just a special class that removed it
from the normal set of goods.  However, everything that we normally call a good
comes from the land.  I can invest my time and energy converting mud to
functional stoneware crockery.  So once I've done that, shouldn't I have some
extra right to the product?  It seems like I should.  But what about the
material that went into it?  How are the 'rights' of those who are owed equal
participation in the land protected when I take part of that land and turn it
into something that I own?

Yeah, at what point can it be called exploitation? I think there is such
thing as collective "ownership" such as the entitlement of workers to the
profits of a company (not getting into what the company does).

One 'solution' would be to say that The People have a right to take part of my
excess wealth.  You probably all know how much I like that.  And that, in any
form, means that folks don't actually own (in the sense that they can do what
they want with it forever) stuff.  Many of you might take this for granted
already.  Is that so?

Good luck figuring it out. Ponder this notion too: Do we own our stuff or
does it own us?

Dan



Message is in Reply To:
  Ownership (was: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?))
 
(...) I've been having a crisis of faith over the past several months and tried to bring it up unsuccessfully once before, but this ties into it. To get to the point, I'm having trouble justifying ownership. The entire notion of ownership actually. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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