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Re: Is this sexism?
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Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:34:36 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Shiri Dori writes:
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> > Is this suggestion sexist to the core?
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> It certainly provides extra benefit to one sex (or both, if men get paid more
> because of it). Is that bad? I guess I think it's not ideal.
Right.
> > Is it really true that men and women are equal in everything?
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> I don't think so. I can't pinpoint the differences, but it seems to me that
> men and women think differently in some ways.
Hmm - yeah, many people seem to notice that. A lot of people mention how
women seem to able to handle five conversations at once, while men have a
hard time with two. Of course that's a broad generalization, but it's one
example that many people notice.
> > In that case, why should women get extra "perks"?
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> Because we need the viewpoints of women in the workplaces even if it costs
> letting them off for a day or two?
Really? Do you think employers value women's opinions that much?
> > Is that unfair to men?
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> If there is no compensatory action, then it is. And to women who don't need >to take it.
What if the absence is indeed counted as unpaid leave?
> > If implemented, would this give women an advantage,
> > or perhaps just lessen nature's disadvantage?
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> I don't see how. All it would do is make their lives a little easier. It
> doesn't seem like an advantage/disadvantage kind of thing.
Fair.
> > Is it really open to abuse or does it sound reasonable?
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> It seems like it could be abused.
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> I have worked with women who used menstruation as an excuse for absense. Most
> of the time, of course, I had no opinion on the merits of their claims. One >in particular for whom I had to cover seemed to menstruate every fourteen >days or so, which is quite outside the norm. I suspect she was lying. Since >she was abusing the fact that no one could call her on it, that tells me that >some women would abuse your suggested policy.
Interesting. And she probably was, although you can't really know, since
some women do menstruate very irregularly. But I'd bet a hundred bucks that
she wasn't telling the truth most of the time...
> I think that people should be free to take unpaid leave in most jobs (where
> business need doesn't dictate otherwise). Women could chose to take or not
> take that deal and there should be no stigma attached. The problem with >unpaid leave in most workplaces is that while it is possible, it is viewed as being a
> slackerly pain in the butt kind of thing to do. In my current position, I have
> unlimited sick leave -- there is no accounting whatsoever unless it meets
> certain criteria and needs to start being called short- or long-term
> disability. I like that. And I have noticed that fewer people are sick than
> anywhere I have ever worked. I think that's interesting.
Yeah... I wonder how the psychological idea works, and if there's any
statistical indication for what you seem to be noticing. Interesting indeed.
(Kinda like the honor test; the teacher says "I honestly trust you guys not
to cheat, and I'm leaving the room." If the teacher really does trust the
students that much, and they know it, they will probably not cheat.)
> Out of curiosity, is your cycle regular enough that you know when you're going
> to feel bad ahead of time? You could schedule your work situation around your
> cycle, or use the pill to schedule your cycle around work (unless you have
> persistent nausia as a result, of course).
For me, yes. But it's kinda problematic to "schedule" work around my cycle
coz I'm in school. as for the latter suggestion, it's not workable for a
couple of reasons (medical history in my family makes using the pill not
recommended, unless it's neccessary).
-Shiri
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| (...) Yeah, and it has seemed to me that when discussing how to solve some problem or social dilema, women are more likely to answer practically and men are more likely to answer with idealistic answers. And men and women tend to have different (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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