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Re: Libertarian SPAM (Propaganda)
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Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:25:10 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> Dave Schuler wrote:
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> > > > I have already [demonstrated why the LP's demographic composition matters],
> > > > and Dave has too.
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> > > You haven't *demonstrated* squat, all you've done is make yourself look
> > > stupid, and basically defamed any white person who has ever worked their ass
> > > off for racial equality.
> >
> > It is not for the LP, nor any of its passionate proponents, to declaim
> > that the demographics of the party are not a problem--it is for society to
> > decide, and, given the tepid national support of the party, I'd say society
> > has made its decision known.
> > In addition, since I appear to be one of the people in "you,"
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> I in no way, shape, or form was lumping you in with Scott. I would never do that
> to you, Scott is in a class all by himself.
So where do Dave and I differ on this? How is there a class is difference
between our views?
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> > I would take
> > issue with your claim that I've made myself look stupid. I have (as Bruce
> > has done) observed that, while the validity of a group's message is
> > independent of that group's demographic makeup, the fact that so much of the
> > party is made up of middle class white males is provocative, considering the
> > fact that the party's agenda would be of particular benefit to middle class
> > white males. If, in fact, the party's agenda does not unduly benefit middle
> > class white males, then it is in the party's interest to establish clearly
> > why this is not so, rather than simply saying "well, non-white-males will
> > benefit, but they just don't see it yet."
> > Further, to infer some defamation of the efforts of activists, based on a
> > skewed reading of the reasonable and appropriate concerns about an
> > overwhelmingly white party, is inflammatory ad hominem rhetoric.
> > If, on the other hand, I was not intended as part of "you," then retract
> > my indignation. 8^)
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> Retract away, Dave! (see, I can pull a ++Lar too!)
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> Scott seems to want to state that a predominantly white male party can't have
> ideas that are good for non-white males.
Where did I say that? Where? I think they are less likely too. I think any
ideas they would have would be treated very sceptically. But I do not think
“a predominantly white male party can't have
ideas that are good for non-white males”.
> The stupdity of this assertion is mind
> boggling (ignore LP party discussion part and just think about this single
> assertion).
My mind is boggling right now.
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> Your arguments with DETAILS are fine, it's Scott's inflammatory one-liners that
> tire me.
All your input to this debate (which I have read) has been nothing but
one/two-liners and insults. But this does not tire me Tom - although, I do
feel a little bemused.
Scott A
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| (...) I in no way, shape, or form was lumping you in with Scott. I would never do that to you, Scott is in a class all by himself. (...) Retract away, Dave! (see, I can pull a ++Lar too!) Scott seems to want to state that a predominantly white male (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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