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Re: A question of remembrance...
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Tue, 1 May 2001 15:26:28 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > 2. The UK has more responsibility for the current sad state of affairs than
> > you are willing to acknowledge. Not sole, but a huge portion.
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> You have no idea what I am "willing to acknowledge".
Then what are you willing to acknowledge, beyond what we've
seen here? There's no reason in this long .debate to think
that Larry's wrong on that score.
> As I said before, you are
> talking about the past. Considering the past too much is one of the problems
> with this whole issue, and others like it, in the real world.
The past should be absolutely crucial in considering "the real
world." The problem arises when people manufacture a past, or
worse yet, ignore certain aspects of their past as a way of
trying to argue--or fight--from moral authority and righteousness.
If we could all live in perfect awareness and understanding of
our pasts, shared and individual, warts and flowers all, I
have no doubt this would be a much better world. It would
definitely wake up some of my fellow USians, at least.
Even if you claim that Britain's involvement is immaterial
today--that its 1940s acts are a fait accompli with no relevance
to the ongoing tragedy--the continuing idiocy that pervades
Northern Ireland ought to commend at least a bit of contrition
when speaking about another country's internal/external (it
does depend on whom you ask) social problems. At the very
least, Ulster certainly shows that the release of mandated
Palestine doesn't represent the cleansing and absolution of
the British national soul. [1]
best
LFB
[1] If there even is such a beast; see the current row over
race and various utterances regarding immigration that are
currently shaking the Tories. Chances in May^H^H^HJune?
Cha, right.
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| (...) The point I think I am failing to acknowledge is that Britain’s past is any justification for Israel to torture and murder today. Although, I am sure it would make a very convenient defence / smokescreen. (...) Yes, but considering the past is (...) (24 years ago, 2-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) In your opinion. Black is black. I am not going to get into a "who is the baddest" debate... it would be rather pointless. (...) You have no idea what I am "willing to acknowledge". As I said before, you are talking about the past. Considering (...) (24 years ago, 30-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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