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(...) <OBDisclaimer: I am not a professional sociologist, nor do I make any pretensions of actual knowledge in the field.> Social Engineering can be applied to a much broader spectrum of science and psuedo-science than MM is using it for. Not all SE (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, that's something I considered when speaking to Matthew offline. I think my conclusion on the issue is that Matthew's approach (I.E. causing disruptions, etc) is a very fast, effective way of doing it. However, it causes unfortunate (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I recognize that you're just the messenger, rather than the purveyor of this mindset, but such "social engineering" as Matt describes it is also known as sociopathy. The fact that it can be couched in politically correct rhetoric doesn't (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (Just rereading what I wrote...) I didn't mean that to sound like everyone should have known this (what I snipped) and that Paul was wrong in what he wrote back to Larry. I just wanted to add some facts in an appropriate place to comment. No (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have a question (for anyone) about the phrase "Social Engineering." In your experience, does the phrase automaticaly imply causing disruptions, flamewars, etc. or can SE be done in quiet, civil ways? If the ToS for the discussion groups were (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I must say I can't think of a place, either on or off line, where that kind of "social engineering" WOULD sit well. He must be quite used to being run out of groups on a rail... Kevin ---...--- Personal Lego Web page: (URL) Park: Limited (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lemme interject something here. :-) Matthew didn't make any mistakes -- at least not in the usual social faux-pas sense. I've been speaking a little bit with him offline in email since Saturday and he considers himself a "Social Engineer" (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The truly frightening thing is that the "Northern Ireland Problem" has been going on since at least Elizabethan times (ie more than 400 years). Will the "Israeli/Palestine problem" continue for as long? Kevin ---...--- Personal Lego Web page: (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) equally? (...) Sorry, I think faster than I think at times What _is_ the answer then. If they are not willing to treat all claims equally? (...) Those guys have guns too - don't doubt it. They usually come round and shoot fathers in their beds (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't help but doubt that... otherwise, I truely believe there would have been progress in the peace process... (...) rephrase, please? I couldn't parse that last sentance... (...) I'll believe that when I'll see it. I doubt that he actually (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I could use about 80% of this to describe you Larry. (...) There is no need to mother Dan, let him make up his own mind. After all, I think he has a real opinion on this, which is backed with understanding. I'm almost enjoying talking to him about (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Paul Baulch wrote: .... (...) .... (...) Paul I can see your point, but I strongly believe that this is not a therapy club and I think most of the people here, surely including me, would not take the job. I still believe that there is a big (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) hmmm... (...) I'm sure he does want peace. Let's not doubt that. It is the terms of peace which are important. (...) What _is_ the answer then. The they are not will to treat all claims equally? (...) the (...) trying (...) A minority of those (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dan Boger writes: <snip> After Scott's last message to me, I'm going to try to take my own advice and ignore him. He's just picking a fight with you and I advise you to do the same and ignore him in this thread as well... (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Paul Baulch writes: <snip> I dispute that MM was "retrievable" or that it's my job to try. If you persist, I will politely point out what a fool you are for trying, in a friendly way, of course. I don't reason with rabid (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm... it certanly doens't show that he want's peace, does it? (...) says right there, btw: Israelis, no matter how left-wing, cannot take Palestinian demands on par with their own because to accept Palestinian national rights is to deny (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote in message ... (...) what (...) Hatter (...) lot (...) inappropriate (...) why (...) And kept it to yourself? That's a real shame. If' I'd made the connection, I would have used it constructively, to help persuade Matthew not (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Avoidance. (...) Avoidance (...) I think I did. (...) I did not slag off the "US". I slagged of the policing undertaken by the US and its allies (inc the UK). (...) "SA: (...) LP: Not sure I agree that everything the US does externally is for (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What was the question? (...) What's the point of that. (...) Didn't say it did. Recall I said I didn't think Israel should have been set up in the first place. Recall that I said that it was the UK that caused this mess. You haven't answered (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) always (...) or (...) Yes, but which law: (URL) Hilmi Ghazal, a Palestinian school student from Sebastiya village who was arrested in December 1998 at the age of 15, was still in detention at the end of 1999, pending trial on charges of (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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