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Jeremy, (...) "With affirmative action programs under legal fire, colleges and universities are searching for minority admissions procedures that can withstand allegations of unfair preferences." I am not assuming anything, this is a quote from the (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes: [SNIP] (...) Once again, Limbaugh shows his vast ignorance. These kinds of tests are routinely used by management consulting firms to test employees to see how well they fit into an (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rich, and every one else out there!...Conservative _IS_ exactly that, IE, not all that forward looking. You are by definition if you look to new ideas _not_ a conservative. It always strikes me as funny that here in Canada, one of the major (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Show me a test that is fair across the board. You can't, they don't exist. Standardized tests are "standardized" for the majority, and time after time have been proven to have prejudices against those not taught to what the test makers thought (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're assuming that the entire reason for these tests is to get around these court decisions. What if there was a larger, more important reason -- like attempting to make testing the applicants more realistic and fair (see below)? It is a sad (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Frank, (...) Yes, but I repeat myself many times: Since these people that are taking these test, mostly Hispanics and African Americans that would not normally get in due to the admission policies (I took this from the article, BTW), they use this (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Kevin, (...) That's what the article said, which I mentioned in the quote earlier. (...) Mine was probably CAD and drafting classes, along with history. Again, I think this is just a way to get around the recent court rulings about affirmative (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. But the single area where the US is ludicrously falling behind - that is to say, falling behind more and more as time goes by - is pre-university education. A major reason is the basic one-school- fits-all system which succeeds at pushing (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's so wrong about colleges looking for people with "initiative, leadership and an ability to work in groups?" You yourself said that those are real world issues. Why shouldn't colleges be preparing people for the real world? (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Tom, (...) It might be, but doesn't have anything to do with testing people to get around affirmative action rulings. (...) So, giving an unfair advantage to people is being fair? (...) I took many classes over 5 years of going to college, Tom, and (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's why I said "in general" Obviously there are exceptions, and you would expect to find them here on LUGNET. (...) I guess we would have to look at the motive. If the motive was in fact to skirt the law then it's wrong, and probably not (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Being a Rush anti-fan (I think he's a bleeding moron), I don't agree (not just because he's Rush, but because he's WRONG). Using Lego in this way is an excellent test of spatial skills, pinpointing people with the right skills for many (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Clint, I fully supported you up until the WWII comment. It belittles the contributions made by all the people who fought for freedom around the world, including Americans. I am Canadian, and have had both Canadian and American relatives die in WWII, (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You will find that there are many forms of democracy around the world, and many would argue that they are freer then in the American system. Despite what a lot of Americans believe theirs was not the first democracy, and not the model of (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Note- Not all Conservatives do not favor innovations. I am VERY conservative but I am also open to hear new ideas, and to see the results of those ideas. -Rich (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Kevin, (...) I am a conservative, and I love the brick. Stereotypes of any trait don't do justice, one that has been used in debate too much, IMO. (...) Avoiding the law and court ruling is not innovating, IMO. It is ducting the real issues. (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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< cross posted to off-topic-debate > Rich, (...) Hmm... Being a Rush fan and a definite AFOL, I can see the logic of his thinking. Testing people on the ability to build anything, regardless of how good they might be, is a strange way of testing (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) True, doing anything excessively will lead to some kind of failiure. KL (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It's simple. Rush is very conservative. Conservatives in general do not like the artistic or creative elements of society, which is what LEGO products encourage. Conservatives in general also do not favor innovations in education, (of which this (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In addition to an industrial base which was not in danger of being bombed, and on top of that a growing momentum of industrialization. I would throw in though that I believe our freer system of government almost certainly amplified the (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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