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(...) Disagree. I remember trying it out Tyco in 1988 and it left a very bitter taste in my mouth -- blyecch -- and at the time I wasn't even a LEGO purist. True, Tyco was the best of the non-LEGO off-brands, but the quality still never quite lived (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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First of all, no one is trying to "pass" any clones as being the real thing. (...) Second, Tyco is NOT "crummy", it's just different. I don't use it but I think you're letting your emotions get in when you toss around "crummy". Tyco made blocks that (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) OK, here's an analogy... Hopefully this will illustrate the purist's point of view and why it's not arbitrary... You go into a restaurant and order big fat juicy third-pound burger with all the fixings, a side of french fries, and a big tall (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I haven't thought about this much and I can only speak for myself, but when I see water or skies or starry backgrounds, or fire or smoke or sand or anything like that, to me it's just "background stuff" to round out the image -- just as LEGO (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Dave, remember you're not the problem. You're just the person to bring up an issue that needs to be discussed and worked out for the future of LDraw and ldraw.org. Opinions welcome :) (...) Its good that you're agreeing about the official (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I've been trying to keep a low profile on this thread after having stirred the pot at the beginning, but now that I think of it, I have a few pseudo- philosophical questions. There've been myriad discussions of the merits and shortcomings of (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Personally, I wouldn't care one way or the other *intrinsically* if ldraw.org decided to host off-brand elements... What I (personally) would be very sad to see is LEGO stuff being *mixed* with off-brand stuff. That's what I meant by going the (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I hate to reply just to insert a "me too", but I whole-heartedly agree. And folks (I won't name names) second-guessing James' prejudices without actually having *met* him exhibits more than a fair amount of arrogance, IMHO. The way I (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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I am pretty purist myself and can't see using clones or modeling with them (except in trains if some clone comes along and delivers what most trainheads want at acceptable quality levels), but I repeat my thesis: Why be exclusionary? What's wrong (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I read that page and I don't recall 'Lego' being mentioned once. But your interpretation is correct. (...) The 'Centralized LDraw Resources' is, but the meaning behind it is subject to change. (...) Ewww! Ewww! Ewww! Ewww! Ewww! You've proven (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Reading the (URL) page, I always thought it was just assumed (in the "commonly understood" sense) that the purpose of ldraw.org was to unify LDraw things that were specifically LEGO-related (i.e., not for non-LEGO stuff). But maybe that's just (...) (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I agree. Happy Thanksgiving! -Tim (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 You know what you'll never see?? A fat Chinese man with flaming red hair running full speed while taking a crap. -Tom Ace (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Sure would. (...) You're probably more right than I am here. Afterall, it promotes LDraw, and the point of ldraw.org is a centralized resource. Not allowing non-Lego LDraw models on the site would be contradicting that charter and encouraging (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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[ FUT lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw and lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands. This does not (imo) belong in lugnet.cad.dev, so please stop cross-posting to that group. ] Dave Schuler: (...) That would certainly be a possibility, but if you accept to use the (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hmm.. Maybe I could reduce the controversy and hassle if I just put together a site of my own (Geocites and Xoom are free, right?) and put any pertinent clone info there instead of taking up space on one of the more official sites. If I were (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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[ FUT lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw and lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands ] Tim (citing Jacob): (...) Correct. (...) If somebody wants to do the work, it is worth the work. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Sure, I'd help. But *practically* <grin> how would it fit in? Would there be a 'Non-Lego' main section of the site as in (URL) Because it can't go under /download/updates/ - that's saved for official L-CAD [1] parts updates. I don't think it (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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[ XFUT lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw and lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands ] Dave Schuler: I don't think I would ever use clone parts (as in shape, not necessarily as in producer) myself, but I definitely think that we should admit that LDraw can be used for (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands)
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There's a couple of Tente sets being auctioned on Amazon: (URL) I'm not the one selling them. (25 years ago, 23-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands)
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To those who are interested, I have found a Tente aircraft carrier being sold at Ebay, here's the link: (URL) set number turns out to be 0714... For those who remember, I mentioned having a set myself, which is different from the one listed on Ebay. (...) (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands)
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