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Re: Problems with Jay Sim
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Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:01:37 GMT
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Just because wasn't quite what I meant...
I was thinking in terms of giving good reasons but instead "just because"
came thru my typing.
In most cases I agree with Terry on going through with a deal.
Main reason I replied to the original post on here was because I wasn't too
happy that this wasn't addressed to me privately first. Anyhow I don't think
ALL the blame should be on me for what happened. Once I make a deal I
usually like to end it soon as I can but sometimes things happen and also it
doesn't help when the seller delays the process as well.
I try to be a good buyer/seller accordance to common decency.
I have had a ton of deals on/off ebay/bricklink and privately with no
problems at all.
In lugnet.market.brickshops, Terry Prosper writes:
> In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Jay Sim writes:
> >
> > > First thing I can't believe this was posted on Lugnet.
> >
> > I would tend to agree that posting here about deals gone awry should be a
> > very last resort. However I'm going to use this post to make a few comments
> > about deal completion (and I XFUT to theory and brickshops) which are
> > addressed to everyone, not specifically to Jay.
> >
> > > I think as a buyer, a very picky buyer I have all the rights to think over
> > > any deals I make especially over the internet/email. Also when my funds get
> > > distributed for any emergency
> >
> > Agreed. Unexpected emergencies HAVE to take precedence and I think all good
> > sellers understand this and will gladly cancel the deal.
> >
> > > or just because,
> >
> > Disagree. I don't know where this deal was started, but on BrickLink, the
> > terms of service are quite clear. A deal is a deal, and wanting to get out
> > of the deal on a whim ("just because") is NOT an acceptable thing to do.
> >
> > You (all readers, not just Jay) will be branded, and rightly so, as a bad
> > buyer, if you consistently enter into deals, make a committment to the
> > seller to buy something, and then capriciously change your mind.
> >
> > Perhaps "just because" wasn't quite what you meant, Jay. But the hobby
> > doesn't need buyers who make a habit of changing their mind for no reason at
> > all.
> >
> > Everyone should think carefully about making their commitment to buy, and
> > once they make it, stick to it, unless there is some very serious reason (it
> > is very regrettable that something bad happened to your dog, Jay. I hope
> > your dog gets better, but it's a perfect example of a serious and acceptable
> > reason to cancel in my book) not to do so.
> >
> > Buyers are not dealing with retail stores, where returning something because
> > they didn't like it or changed your mind is OK or even expected... they're
> > dealing with fellow hobbyists who are significantly negatively impacted when
> > people waste their time this way. Please keep that in mind.
> >
> > > I should have all rights to cancel.
> >
> > As I said, I don't completely agree. Customer service is important and
> > you'll find the vast majority of sellers do want buyers to be happy and will
> > take whatever reasonable steps they can, but you're not dealing with retail
> > stores. Please remember that.
>
> I was just about to say the same thing! A buyer that orders from a seller
> on either Bricklink or eBay HAS to pay for the item and shipping. It's a
> contract. Unless a good reason comes up, an emergency (which the seller
> will have to believe because there are no ways of checking, but thrust is
> important in these deals), then the seller will have the right to label the
> buyer as a bad one if the buyer refuses to go on with the deal.
>
> Once it is established that the 2 parties won't solve the problem, which
> seems not to be the case here, then, IMO, the seller has the right to let
> people know about it, but on the correct website (why use lugnet when the
> deal is on bricklink or ebay?). Apples and oranges shouldn't go together.
>
> Let's try to keep this community about news and fun, not about problems with
> other members on other websites.
>
> Terry
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| (...) Thanks for clearing that up. (Presumably you meant you agree with me, since Terry's post was a reply to me) (...) I think just about everyone agrees with that. I'd cut Sonnich some slack though, as this all seems like a miscommunication. ++Lar (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.market.brickshops)
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| (...) I was just about to say the same thing! A buyer that orders from a seller on either Bricklink or eBay HAS to pay for the item and shipping. It's a contract. Unless a good reason comes up, an emergency (which the seller will have to believe (...) (22 years ago, 5-Nov-02, to lugnet.market.brickshops)
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