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Re: CO BrikWars get together
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Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:27:03 GMT
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:56:37 GMT, "LegoMasterLuke"
<drew@netpluscom.com> wrote:
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> If somebody launches a missile at my horribly expensive flyers, I *will* want
> Flares & Chaff. And you are wrong -- Chaff works against ANY missile. Flares
> work against heatseeking missiles & radar-guided missiles.
Chaff does not work against ANY missile, namely heat seeking ones.
Missiles that remember your radar or thermal signature are unlikely to
be duped by chaff. Also in the Gulf War, at least 2 aircraft that I
know of where taken out by Maverick AGMs (Air to Ground missiles).
From what I remember both were the optically guided version which
stand little chance of being distracted by chaff clouds. Also, laser
guided weapons, those that require a laser to be optically targeted on
a specific unit are unlikely to be fooled by chaff.
> Chaff -- a large metallic cloud of metal particles. Dropped out the back of an
> aircraft, will ruin a missile trying to fly through it. (The intense radar
> reflections will also attract a radar guided missile.)
Chaff is not an offensive counter measure. That is, it is not
"designed" to destroy missiles by damaging them as they fly thru it.
The chance of a missile hitting a piece of chaff is actually pretty
small. Chaff is designed to spread out quickly to form the largest
radar signature in the shortest period of time. Most Air to Air
missiles (heat seeker and radar guided) use proximity fuses, i.e. when
they get close to their target, they detonate sending out a large
amount of shrapnel to damage or destroy enemy aircraft. When the radar
guided missile gets near the chaff, the proximity fuse detonates,
destroying the missile. Heat seeking missiles are unlikely to be
fooled by chaff nor will they even fly thru the chaff cloud if the
targeted aircraft is evading in any way.
Many larger aircraft actually make their own chaff as needed. Their
chaff is stored as a single long roll of metal stored on one or more
reels. As the radar from the missile is detected, the wavelength can
be obtained, and the chaff will be fed thru a cutter before exiting
the aircraft. The cutter cuts the chaff into strips that match the
wavelength of the missile, hence making the missile even more apt to
fly after the chaff cloud.
> Flares -- very hot object, designed to lure a heat seaking missile away from
> the aircraft that dropped it. The flares were also built to have a HUGE radar
> reflection, so they work against a radar guided missile too.
If I was a pilot, the only time I'd try to use a flare against a radar
guided missile is if I was out of chaff, I'd also be ready to eject.
> Stealth -- a heat seeking missile, or a radar guided missile will and CAN NOT
> hurt an aircraft endowed with stealth armor.
Stealth armor? Stealth really isn't an armor, its a technology. While
radar guided missiles might have a difficult time locking on to a
stealth aircraft, heat seeking missiles are a threat. While the heat
signature from engine exhaust can be masked somewhat, there is still a
thermal signature that heat seeking missiles can detect and home in
on.
> Stealth armor is different from a cloaking device. The difference is this --
> stealth protects you from any missile that would attempt to lock onto your
> aircraft. (You are also invisible to radar.) A stealth unit can, however, be
> spotted VISUALLY (as long as it is not night -- they are jet black, impossible
> to see.) and fired upon. You cannot use a missile to fire upon it -- useless.
> However, lasers or guns are fare game.
Missiles that are optically guided either by targeting a laser or
keeping the target in a cross hairs can be used against stealth
aircraft.
> Trust me, I know these things :)
>
> LegoMasterLuke
Even though many of the things mentioned above may be in context with
a BrikWars campaign, the way things work in the future will pretty
much be the same. The only difference being that flares and chaff in a
futuristic setting will just about be obsolete, except when fighting
against a low tech world. All missiles will be of the fire and forget
type and will be built in such a way that they detect and remember
individual aircraft or ground unit signatures and they will not stray
from their original target no matter what is deployed to fool them.
Instead of flares and chaff in the future, I think we'll see more
stealth and reactive armor (perhaps in combination), anti missile
missiles, and perhaps even small smart guns similar to the USN's
Phalanx system, but small enough to be placed on aircraft or ground
units.
All that being said....
I do live in Cleveland and perhaps I'd be up for a BrikWars event in
Columbus. I have mostly space units, mainly infantry. While I've never
played BrikWars, I've got 20 years of gaming experience, including
AD&D, Ogre, Palladium, GURPS, you name it. The only problem being that
I work 3rd shift, my last day of the week starting at 11:59 pm Friday,
so I don't get off work till Saturday morning, but I think I could
still make it.
Jeff Christner
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| I guess my information is incorrect. I stand corrected. (...) 1) A large flyer can carry no more then 4 weapons. Is this 4 points worth of weapons? (1 MK 1 explosive is 4 points.) Or is it 4 weapons period? 2) Do cannons, machine guns, and lasers (...) (24 years ago, 10-Apr-00, to lugnet.loc.us.oh)
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| (...) That's at least four people who live in Cleveland: Me (Cleveland Heights) Adrian (Westlake) Jeff Troy?? Maybe we should get together some time (but not necessarily to play Brikwars) --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com (...) (24 years ago, 10-Apr-00, to lugnet.loc.us.oh, lugnet.loc.us.oh.cle)
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