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| | | (...) Ryan, Thanks for your interest in NELUG. What this all comes down to really is liability. I suppose I could set up an option like Todd is for the LUGNET memberships where a JrFOL could join with the consent of thier parent or legal guardians. (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | Re: NELUG Turns 50!! —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | (...) LUGNET (...) legal (...) family (...) part of (...) personally (...) something (...) responsible (...) a lot (...) actions. In any case, a parent would be with me so in that respect, you really wouldn't be liable for anything. As Christians, (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | Re: NELUG Turns 50!! —Frank Filz
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| | | | As an advisor of a church senior high youth group, I am definitely aware of the issues... Ryan raises a very good point though. One of the things that we AFOLs should bend over backwards is to create a support structure for teens so they do not have (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | Re: NELUG Turns 50!! —David Eaton
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| | | | I'd have to agree for the most part with what's been said-- I'd like to see NELUG cater to a wider audience... However, this is really where the purpose of NELUG gets called into question. If we want a bunch of us to get together and talk about Lego (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | Well I am hopeing that this turns into a very constructive discussion on how we can cater to minors in our Local groups. I would be very interested in seeing what people have to say on the issue. I would also like to hear any experiances that people (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | | | Eric, see my reply to David's message for more of my opinion on the topic. One thing though, the term "tween"(which I think is downright, gutwrenchingly sick) refers to those ages 8-12, so I don't think a 16yo would like being called a "tweener". (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Ryan, Just a point of clarification. By the term "tweener" I mean inbetween and it does not refer to someone that is a teenager. And by inbetween I mean Young-Adult in this case or someone who is more mature than a kid and can handle (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) <soapbox> I'm going to jump on the use of "Young Adult" here since I am battling the use of the term "Young Adult" in church circles. The term "Young Adult" is used by sociology to refer to people aged 18-35. Since there are areas where it is (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Robert Munafo
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| | | | | | | | (...) You can say that again. I was 20 years old before I even *wanted* a driver's license! - Robert Munafo www.mrob.com (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Jeremy Sproat
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| | | | | | | | (...) I was 21 before I could even *test* for a driver's license. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —James Brown
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| | | | | | (...) Well, I've been involved with a non-profit society focused on live gaming, which has some similar issues with minors and social stigma, so I've got some useful experience. Relevant to note that I'm in Canada, though, so legal issues may vary. (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.org.us)
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| | | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | (...) Actually, I don't think it's that difficult, per se, it's just that it's more work than it's worth. I'd rather not go through making permission slips for parents to fill out, etc., just to have a silly old meeting... to date the meetings have (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.org.us)
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| | | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | (...) At what age would you say children *don't* have to be accompanied by an adult? Sixteen? Do you know of a legal basis for that kind of decision? Of course, we wouldn't want any child to come without permission. Jeff P.S. I'm wondering because (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.org.us)
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| | | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —James Brown
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| | | | | | | (...) Check your local laws, but I'm fairly certain that the age of majority is 18 darn near everywhere. Most places, able to vote=legally responsible for self. James (URL) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.org.us)
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| | | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | (...) accompanied (...) After having participated in this thread for a few days now I have developed a bit of perspective on the issue if not on the legalities involved. If you are going to have a cutoff (which currently NELUG does see (URL) ) I (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.org.us)
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| | | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | (...) I know my mom would not want to accompany me to any LUG meeting, but she wouldn't have a problem if I went by myself (I'm 17)... (...) I wonder if we should bring up the issue for GMLUG too... My name is on the members page, but I'm not (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.oh)
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| | | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | (...) The only thing I guess I would add hear is probably an obvious point. I think that this issue is one for each of the groups to solve on their own. I am sure that some groups will handle things different than NELUG and that is great. That way (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.oh)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: How to handle minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) It sure would be unfortunate, IMHO, if any group ever didn't let Bram come to their meetings because of his age. I met Bram at MindFest last month, and if I hadn't known his age ahead of time, I'd have probably assumed he was 19 or 20. I'm (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.oh)
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| | | | | | | | Re: How to handel minors in "LUG's" was (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Troy Cefaratti
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| | | | | | (...) I don't have a problem with it. And since the meeting will be at my house, I guess that is all that really matters. :) And I'm sure that we will figure out some way to get you here. Troy (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.oh)
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| | | | | | Re: NELUG Turns 50!! —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | (...) see (...) purpose of (...) I'll start off my saying that everything was very well said, Dave. Although I am still 2 1/3 years away from being considered an AFOL, I can see why you wanted to set up AFOL group, partly because of circumstances (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | Minors in LUGs (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | (...) The problem is this: While it's easy to say "only mature people above a certain age", in practice this becomes unworkable. Why? It requires looking the kid, or worse yet, their parent/guardian in the eye and saying "you aren't welcome here". (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | Re: Minors in LUGs (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | (...) person's (...) BIG (...) Eric, I don't want this to sound like arguing, because that's not what I want it to be, but what happens if you get, say, a 18 or 19yo who acts up and isn't on the maturity level that the group would like. How is it (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | | Re: Minors in LUGs (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | <snip> All these Eric's is making this confusing :-). (...) Ryan, Once again you bring up some good points. To answer your question I guess I don't know how we would handle that type of situation mostly because it has not even been close to an issue (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | | Re: Minors in LUGs (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | (...) saying (...) back (...) be (...) So, let me see if I'm following you here: Because there's a slight chance it might happen if we keep things 18+, we should open ourselves up a situation in which it's more likely to happen? Sorry, that doesn't (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Minors in LUGs (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | | (...) want (...) isn't (...) come (...) would (...) chance it (...) situation in (...) bit like (...) your car, (...) "logic". No, that's not what I asked. I asked you how saying that(what I gave as an example) would be any different whether it was (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | Re: Minors in LUGs (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | <snip> (...) Eric J, I agree with everything you have said here. I really want to keep this from having to be a "judgement call" of any kind. I also agree that to have <18 folks at the types of meetings we have had so far is probably not in the best (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | Re: Minors in LUGs (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | (...) How do you mean? Do you mean participate as in attend the event and see our models, talk to and meet us, and so on, or do you mean participate as in bring models of their own and be there as a part of NELUG? The former isn't a problem, at that (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | Re: Minors in LUGs (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | (...) Again I think you are right. As far as events like Mindfest etc. I would think it would be more of a "come see our exhibit" type thing then a "be part of NELUG and display your creations". First of all if it were something like Mindfest where (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | Re: Minors in LUGs (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | (...) D'oh! yeah, the issues, not the people. (...) setting (...) Sounds like a plan, as long as we're careful to point out that NELUG endorseth not said event, and claimeth no responsibilty, etc etc etc. (...) type (...) Good cover! We wouldn't (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | Re: Minors in LUGs (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —James Brown
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| | | | (...) Well, again, check your local laws, but I'm darn near postive that they won't be any different on the major point - which is to say if NELUG doesn't legally exist, NELUG can't be legally liable. The individuals involved can be legally liable, (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | Re: Minors in LUGs (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Shiri Dori
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| | | | Dear NELUGers, I've been reading this thread, and I would like to know this: Like Ryan, I'm 2 and a half years below the 18 line. I've had a short dark age, but luckily came to my senses quickly. I must comment that in Israel, where I used to live, (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | Re: Minors in LUGs (Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | Shiri, First let me say welcome to the Boston area. (...) This is just the type of thing I hope we can help you avoid. Now while it is true most/many teenagers eventually lose their interest in LEGO and as a result people like you and Ryan are (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.loc.us.me, lugnet.org.us, lugnet.loc.us.ma.bos)
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| | | | | | Re: NELUG Turns 50!!) —Bram Lambrecht
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