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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Horst Lehner writes:
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> > > > If there is a Police force, legitimated by the society, it is VERY
> > > > reasonable they can ask for proof of identity!
> > >
> > > If they have probable cause to suspect me of commission of a crime, then I
> > > agree.
> >
> > If this is the only way you find criminals, this explains a lot about the US
> > ;->.
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> Oh? What does it explain? The only thing I see, is why we continue to love
> our country even with all our cons. We do have more freedom, and we value it
> highly.
More freedom than whom?
And we *also* love our own respective countries, we may even love *each
other's* countries so much that we want to unite 'em all! :-)
Anyway, we also have cons. And we have ID's. Is it so difficult to
understand that a nation can be loved beyond such petty issues like ID's and
all?
> > But seriously, why is it that you in the US seem to think it's
> > unreasonable to randomly ask people for their identity at certain places?
>
> Because my rights trump, in most cases, the priveleges of the government.
Your government HAS priveleges? And you claim to be "Freer"?
> Only
> when there is a plausible threat to the peace of the many may my rights be laid
> aside for investigation and possible punishment. The power to randomly hassle
> people can easily be abused. And it is.
Not even when the peace of the many is threatened may my rights be "put
aside". My priveleges, however, can.
My rights follow me all over. An investigation does not exclude my rights,
and a punishment must be balanced so that my rights aren't irrevocably
destroyed.
You see, one of the rights I like the most is the right to carry on after
being interrupted. ;-)
Pedro
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| (...) I don't know. They never seem to consult me when making these decisions. Please do not assume that because I live here, I support many actions of the government. I am fairly disenfranchised, if you haven't noticed. (...) Oh? What does it (...) (23 years ago, 14-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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