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Re: COMPLETE LIST OF NEW SETS FOR 2000
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lugnet.general
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Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:20:20 GMT
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In lugnet.general, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.general, "DaveG" <peagreen@intergate.ca> writes:
> > In lugnet.general, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > From my point of view as a LEGO fan in a larger community of LEGO fans
> > > (slightly different point of view), I don't personally think it sets a good
> > > example to publish scans of catalogues that we weren't meant ever to see --
> > > especially not prior to the release of the sets.
> >
> > I would like to add a bit to this point if I may...
> >
> > The point of such groups as this IS to provide a means of gaining EXACTLY
> > this kind of information.
>
> If you mean fan groups/lists on the Internet in general, then, yes, I agree,
> certainly a lot of that occurs regardless of the original motivations for
> setting up such groups... But if you mean that the point of such groups on
> LUGNET is to provide a means of gaining this type of information, then, no,
> that's absolutely not correct.
Yes I did not mean that this THE PLACE for such things, but that one reason
people start User Groups and such is that there is a Restriction in the
information flow.
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> It has always been, since day 1, a fundamental tenet of LUGNET to respect
> the rights of the LEGO Company. And the legal rights of LEGO to restrict
> information that they choose to restrict are more important than the
> god-given [sic] "rights" of fans to trade illicit information. Sad but true
> if you want to play all the angles and survive long-term.
I am not sure I was talking about "rights" TLC, us, or me. I fully support the
preservation of the LEGO trademark and in no way am trying to promote
un-lawfull
actions. However Divisions in the information flow from a company and its
purchasers can lead to long term problems. I just would like ALL companies to
provide timely and acurate information on products. As they have not begun to
do this I must look to Fan-Sites and User-Groups to lead me to this
information.
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> Now, if you want to be the source of a leak of secret internal information,
> I personally have no problems with you doing that. That's your right. But
> please do it elsewhere, not here. OTOH, if you repeat things here that you
> have heard first elsewhere (such as on RTL or rebelscum.com, for example), I
> don't have any qualms about that, because once the cat's out of the bag,
> it's out of the bag, as they say. But you still may want to think twice,
> because you might get into some heat from TLC, who knows...(?)
Not my intent at all.
> > The artificial restriction of information is the
> > force that drives Fan and User Groups. I think in general publishing such
> > information is in the long-term intrests of all parties [TLC, kids and us].
> > They [TLC] may not agree me on this point.
>
> I agree that it's in the best interest of the fans (individually). However,
> those interests ought IMHO to be factored in with the best interests of the
> vehicle providing the mechanism for us fans. It's a giant balancing scale.
>
> I would really recommend that you set up a private mailing list somewhere if
> you really wanted to distribute secret information. There's nothing
> stopping you from doing that. Just try not to traffic it here.
Again not my point.
>
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> > > And from my point of view personally as a LEGO fan (very different point of
> > > view), I *personally* do enjoy seeing such things -- but it still makes me
> > > nervous.
> >
> > You have been programmed/lead to feel this way by the actions of over
> > protective Marketroids and such.
>
> LOL! Um, no. Hardly the case, actually. • Good!
>
>
> > However, I am aware that many companies can
> > take rather draconian actions to re-enforce this false[MOO] idea.
> > I would not like to see you [Todd the Admin] to be the target of such
> > actions.
>
> Don't worry, I'm extremely resistant to that sort of thing. All of this
> comes from the inside.
Mo'Good
-- DaveG
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| (...) If you mean fan groups/lists on the Internet in general, then, yes, I agree, certainly a lot of that occurs regardless of the original motivations for setting up such groups... But if you mean that the point of such groups on LUGNET is to (...) (25 years ago, 6-Dec-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.publish)
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