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Subject:	Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
Newsgroups:	lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego
Date:	Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:52:26 GMT
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Hi all,

This is from a friend of mine, Gareth Bowler:

Got into my first 2004 sets today; the MINI star destroyer set, and promptly scrapped them for parts, only to find, to my shock and dismay, that the colors don’t match. Further more, the studs are rounded, making connections significantly weaker, and the parts overall just have a cheaper feel to them.

The two parts labelled “old” are both from 2003 sets, and have never had a chance to yellow or been exposed to sunlight. The photo was not altered in any way and is the raw output from my scanner.

Message has 23 Replies:

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
(...) (re-posting from BL) Hmm... The prophecy is coming true.... I was wondering when this would be made public and if it would be made public. !!start warning!! I do not know the full story behind the pictures (like what sets they came from, etc) (...) (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
(...) Okay.... what happened? Did Lego hire fired workers from clone brands like MegaBloks, Best Lock? This is really sad..... I think each of us should start making emails and letters expressing our concerns as loyal Lego customers. (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
(...) As I replied ON BL, i still think this is attributed to either light or air quality. The old peices have what i consider "Smokers tinge", my peices from my youth have simlar discoloring, and my father smokes... I think its the tar in the (...) (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
Looks like The Lego Group is finally cutting corners (literally) in order to compete with cheap clone brands. Is this the end of good-quality Lego?, or is this merely a bad batch of product? -HRH (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
(...) Further more, the studs are rounded, making (...) Yes, working on a machine shop floor it looks as the NEWER 2004 plate/s is of a different mold note the chamfered edges of the stud the reason for this and I must say firstly that I Have very (...) (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
(...) Thanks for the scan. Bad news to say the least. :( I'm crossing my fingers that it's all a bad mistake and the bulk of 2004 sets won't be plagued by this. If Lego truly wants to get rid of colors that have been in production for ~25 years, (...) (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		New Color!
(...) See these posts on bricklink: (URL) and (URL) Mine>. The light gray has changed a bit, but the dark grey is a whole new color, which I think Clark is right about; it's stone gray. The new studs are slightly looser, but seem to work well. (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
(...) Just a thought with no evidence to back it up, but.... Assuming that this is not simply an error, like bent cypress trees or low-quality train wheelsets, could there be a technical reason? One reason that occurs to me is the colourfastness of (...) (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
(...) Well, if it's true about the connections being weaker, I'd say that's bad news. But in all honesty, as a town building and landscape builder, I welcome a slight color variation! Mix up all of those color variations and you have buildings and (...) (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
I think it's fine if LEGO wants to ADD more colors to their spectrum, but REPLACING colors is a bad idea; especially staple colors like light and dark gray. Those 2 colors are heavily used by everyone--space, town, castle--we all need gray. I'm (...) (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
(...) One idea did pop to mind: What if we have a batch of "lemons" here? Maybe it's just some bad bricks that slipped through the system. We've seen elements of poor quality gone to market before; remember the first batch "hydrolic" cylinders that (...) (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
(...) Pic snipped; see original post. (...) This is in actuality, NOT a 'dear lego' letter as it is a COMMAND to Lego: If this cheaper quality is the new standard, I, as a Customer who is absolutely correct in this matter, ORDER you to cease & (...) (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
I havent even seen the new colors i life, but.... IS this is really true LEGO SHAME ON YOU. CORE colors in ANY SPACE set change. How could you? Building with Lego will never be the same again. I was so much looking forward to the new 2004 line. Now (...) (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
(...) Everyone should take a deep deep breath and answer the following questions... How many sets have these 'new' colors been seen in ? How many themes have these 'new' colors been seen in ? How many 2004 sets have been examined to determine if (...) (21 years ago, 15-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
(...) <snip> Falling in the wait and see camp, I do wonder, how valid are the rumors of color Additional colors (as already mentioned) do lead to neat ideas of having 4 grays to work with. But if the original LT and DK grays are being replaced I (...) (21 years ago, 16-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
Just to add my humble 2 cents here, I bought a used gamma-V (6891) from brick link recently, and when I was putting it together, I was disappointed to see at least 2 different greys which didn't quite match each other. I assumed the seller had (...) (21 years ago, 16-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
I just bought the 2004 Mos Eisley Cantina this afternoon (#4501), and was disappointed to find that this set also has the new off colors. It wasn't just the 2 grays either; brown is a lighter shade now. The dark red, verdigris (sometimes called (...) (21 years ago, 17-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
(...) Color me.. disappointed. I think it's kind of entertaining that several folks have counseled either a 'wait and see' approach or that they personally were just going to sit back and see how it pans out. Honestly, what choice do we have? TLC (...) (21 years ago, 17-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: more photos of new colors
(...) Hey All, After not sleeping last night due to being pissed off about this, I went out today and bought myself the mini star destroyer just to see what I was getting upset about. Upon opening the set I noticed the different colors and put them (...) (21 years ago, 18-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Color change official/permenant WAS Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
I saw this posted by 'guybrush' on the FBTB forums: "I've started a new topic so that this one can be free of doubt, wait and see type comments, etc. I have confirmation in my inbox this morning. I'm not sure yet if the person wants to be quoted or (...) (21 years ago, 18-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
Aside from the perspectives already mentioned, two other issues worry me: 1 Replacing or augmenting existing colors with slightly different colors will cause confusion and bad publicity. - We will have a harder time sorting out pieces and need more (...) (21 years ago, 18-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)

		Lego now making Mega Bloks colors (was Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match...)
(...) Now I haven't actually seen the new grey colors in person yet but based on the pictures it looks like LEGO is now matching their light and dark grey colors to the ones Mega Bloks uses. Now if the new colors are in addition to the existing (...) (21 years ago, 18-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)

		Re: Fwd from a builder: Colors don't match, among other things!
If you dare, write to them!!!! As I have seen, petition runs here on LUGNET. Many peole are thrilled some way. There is also feeling of betrayal and some craving that TLG doesn't listen to AFOL's alhough it's 5% of the market. If you dare, spend 80 (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)

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