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Re: Lightbricks (x265/x266/x267)
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Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:08:31 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Niels Karsdorp wrote:
> I got some review comments about these parts on the PT:
> http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/x265.dat
> http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/x265c01.dat
> http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/x266.dat
> http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/x266c01.dat
> http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/x267.dat
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> I've been given these partnames, without s\ suggestions by Steve Bliss, so I
> assumed it was right to create these as individual parts.
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> I had a similar discussion about part 7930 and the glass piece x268 with Steve:
> (Steve, I hope you don't mind that I quote you publicly)
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> > > 7930s.. ~Glass for Door 1 x 3 x 4
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> > Use x268.dat for this glass. The glass is its own part, and it has its
> > own real part number. So we don't add suffixes to get a number, we assign
> > a 3DN.
I protested then, and I protest the same way now. I don't agree with Steve, and
I probably never will. There was *ABSOLUTELY NO NEED* to make three files for
one part like 7930. With some classic windows, there will even be four files:
one with plain number: nn.dat 0 ~Moved to nnc01.dat, a glass with a new number,
the frame without glass, and nnc01.dat. O stupidivity of stupidivities! Then
Samsonite made windows with glass and frame slightly different from the Denmark
plant. That gives us three new files: a new file for that glass, a new file for
the frame (with hole on top), and a new "complete assembly" file. But the
"complete assembly" *IS* the part. And a sub-part is either an ex-part in the
hands of an uncareful kid or a to-be part at the factory.
It's different when we have like a battery lid or sub-parts like buttons and
axles that can actually move, or dithered color areas. I can also accept newer
parts
"What if we found the real part number...?" We are very likely to find the real
part number for a sub-part from the 60's, 70's, or 80's, aren't we?
> > > Parts starting with ~, should these be stored in the parts\s-folder?
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> > No. Files which represent actual LEGO elements go in parts\. "Actual
> > LEGO elements" includes simple bricks, compound parts (like your 2x2 light
> > bricks) and component parts (like the glass for the 7930 door).
> > Additionally, any file that a modeler might need to interact with also
> > belongs in parts/. Examples of these files are the segments of flexible
> > parts.
> > The only files that belong in parts/s/ are fragments of complete elements,
> > like tiles without tops, or dithered-color fragments of patterns.
That leads to the only reasonable solution: The transperent "part of a part" be
inlined a hard-coded color 47. That makes one part, one file. This is the way
James did (well, not with 35b.dat, but I'm sure he'd put it in the \s folder if
it had existed back then.)
The second best is to put all subparts to (x265/x266/x267) into parts\s and not
clutter the parts folder with more "theorecically part" That will make straight
part names, too: 265.dat and 266.dat, and free up 267 for a real part.
That's my $25.00.
/Tore
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| (...) "Absolutely" is an exaggeration. There's a very simple need to put the frame and the glass in separate files: so modelers can change the colors of both. Then there's a simple reason to make a combined file: because, as you said, that's the (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.cad)
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| I got some review comments about these parts on the PT: (URL) been given these partnames, without s\ suggestions by Steve Bliss, so I assumed it was right to create these as individual parts. I had a similar discussion about part 7930 and the glass (...) (21 years ago, 2-Dec-03, to lugnet.cad)
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