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    Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
   After seeing how popular the gallery section is at Brickshelf, I wondered how other people could display their work. The solution is to allow users to create accounts and upload it themselves! After about a week and a half of coding, and a day or (...) (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.announce.brickshelf) ! 
   
        Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
     (...) Oops, that should have been (URL) (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Larry Pieniazek
      (...) Cool. What are your ToS? That is... How will you enforce against people uploading non Lego stuff? How will you enforce against (or do you care about) people using it as a site to host auction listing support pictures, etc? (I haven't went and (...) (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
      (...) (URL)That is... (...) several "moderators" with the delete function. (...) I would encourage people to use it as an auction support site, as long as the content doesn't violate the TOS. (...) (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Tony Kilaras
       (...) What is your stance on Lego clone instruction scans? (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
       (...) That would definately be off-topic. In fact I'd prefer that people not upload complete instruction or catalog scans of any type to the gallery. Those should be submitted to the scan section (note that there are different terms covering the (...) (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
       (...) I should clarify that excerpts from (LEGO) instructions and catalogs would be fine (example: for auction support), just not complete versions (like in the scans section). (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
       (...) Also, if there is enough interest (and the system works well) I might set up a different website for more general use (or at least many other specific topics). KL (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Tony Kilaras
       (...) I would love to have an area devoted to clone instructions. Most of the Tyco sets are worthy of inclusion as well as some of the Ritvik sets. (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Frank Filz
       (...) Note that before anyone goes publishing clone scans, we need to determine the various clone's IP policies. TLC has given guidance in this area which seems to allow the scans. This policy can NOT be assumed to be a default for other companies. (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Mike Stanley
      (...) Wow, that's incredibly generous of you. I'll be making use of that service, as long as it is ok with you. A small suggestion. I think a link to the TOS on the member listing page, or maybe in the little menu "area" line would be helpful. I (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
      (...) It's all relative. So far the Ebay links have been such a tiny percentage of the overall traffic, it's lost in the noise. Even if it becomes a large load, that's good too because it means there is alot of good content on the site. KL (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Mike Stanley
      (...) Ok, just so I'm clear, what sort of links are "ok" with you? The kind that Todd doesn't allow, linking directly to the image itself and displaying it on the auction page? Or do you want links to the page in the gallery? (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
      (...) Currently the policy is that drect links to images are ok. KL (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Larry Pieniazek
      Kevin, what drives the order of images in a particular folder? Right now it seems to be alpha. It looks like images themselves are all assigned a unique numeric key, with a record of the folder they are in... because an image URL page seems to be of (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
      (...) True. (...) True, the site runs off a database but... The files are stored in a directory structure of /gallery/username/fo.../image.jpg which is why you can access the images directly using that path. (...) If the user wants to specify an (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Larry Pieniazek
      Some more enhancement requests. 1. stats. Can you tell me how many folders and how many images are on file for each person while I am looking at the list of all the people? This way I can tell whether it's worth snooping into someone's folders to (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
      (...) The recently updated folders display will come right after the edit image option (i.e. real soon). The hotlist is a good idea. Statistics in general are interesting, but will probably be pulled from the logs, to avoid database writes on each (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Frank Filz
     (...) categorizing web pages, and would like to be able to point to reasonably specific pages, which won't be too changeable, so the number reference doesn't seem ideal since it can change. (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Dan Boger
      On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:26:14 GMT Frank Filz <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote concerning 'Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone!': (...) doesn't work? (URL) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
      (...) Of course not. You made a typo: (URL) work KL (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Frank Filz
      (...) isn't enabled. Can you fix that? All you're doing in the Javascript is a re-direct. (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
      (...) Yes, the site uses javascript redirects in several places. I'm not sure I can do it with mod-rewrite but I'll look into it. KL (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Frank Filz
      (...) I'm not sure what mod-rewrite is, but couldn't you use something like: <META HTTP-EQUIV="refresh" CONTENT="3; url=Lego.html"> (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
     (...) KL (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
   
        Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Larry Pieniazek
     In lugnet.announce.brickshelf, Kevin Loch writes: <announce> Generally excellent ToS. Where did you crib these, or did you make them up yourself? I need a set of ToS potentially and would like to crib... can I? One Nit: (...) note this word... (...) (...) (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
     (...) Ummm.... the were heavially "borrowed" form Yahoo/Geocities, which seemed to be the most similar type of service. Of course I added some and deleted some made a bunch of edits. KL (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
   
        Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Larry Pieniazek
     another nit: (URL) is referenced in #5, appears not to be a valid URL. ++lar (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
     (...) It doesn't exist yet. Actually the TOS covers privacy fairly well, only aggregate, non-identifiable information would ever be released to any third party. KL (25 years ago, 10-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
   
        Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Shaun Sullivan
      Hi Kevin, I tried to register, but kept running into a problem. I input all of my information, but ended up getting an error message stating I had used something beyond the permissible characters [A-Z],[a-z],[0-9], etc- yet I wasn't using anything (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
     (...) Try it again now... (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Shaun Sullivan
      Perfect! Thanks, Kevin. shaun (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
   
        Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Russell Clark
     (...) I may be missing the fine print, but I don't see the instructions for where to upload to, etc. Russell (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
      (...) If you are logged in (look at the top right corener) and in one of your personal folders, you should have a link for "Upload" above the gray title bar. KL (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Russell Clark
      (...) Got it, thanks. I hadn't actually created a folder yet, so I hadn't seen the choices. Russell (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
     (...) If you are logged in (look at the top right corener) and in one of your personal folders, you should see a link for "Upload" above the dark gray title bar. KL (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
   
        Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Barbara Sproat
     (...) In future modifications, will you be sorting the Member Index? Or how about allowing custom minifigs from the member to be displayed? How about for each member having a link to their personal web site? What about limiting the number of (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
      (...) Yes, in many different user selectable ways. (...) Yes, and even better you will be able to assign any icon in your collection to be the icon for any folder in your collection. I might allow that for the user icon otherwise there will be a (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Ben Roller
       (...) I like this idea. I prefer a large assortment of minifigs for each user to select on the main page, but having our own icons for the folders would be cool. I imagine someone like Larry having a GMLTC folder with their logo as the link to the (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Todd Lehman
       (...) Depends on the size of the images and the number of images per page. The neat thing is, with modern browsers and servers, a whole bunch of small images totalling, say, 100KB can be transferred in roughly the same time as one big 100KB image. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
       (...) Wow! Would it be possible to generate all of those with a height of 128 pixels (total, including space above and below fig.)? Those would look *much* better than my lousy scans (and I could add that feature *much* faster) :) KL (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Todd Lehman
       (...) Technically speaking, it's possible to generate them at a variety of small sizes -- it's basically just some pipefitting and scripting with pnmtools. But then again it was just a little experiment page -- something from the back burner at (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Mike Stanley
       (...) On a much lighter note, I really liked how the page loaded. I am guessing that the order in which the images appeared on the page was not caused by anything other than load times, but it was cool to watch gaps appear in the lines of minifigs (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Alan Gerber
       (...) from. Could you make a minifig generator-like device to make our own figs? Alan This message's random set is: 8523, www.lugnet.com/pause...query=8523 (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Todd Lehman
      (...) Do you think this is safe (from a legal standpoint)? LEGO has already done this for members at the LEGO MINDSTORMS website. We had planned to do this for LUGNET members, but then LEGO went and put their own minifig generator to use: (4 URLs) (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Larry Pieniazek
       (...) Lemme see if I get what you're saying. You guys thought of something first, have clearly established prior art, and when TLC comes out with the same idea, significantly after you do, you decide to not do it any more because they might think (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Todd Lehman
       (...) No, sorry, I forgot the other related concerns... What's above is probably only about 30-50% of it. One other thing was that it suddenly seemed a lot less unique and special after TLC went and did it, and we had always kinda wanted stuff on (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Suzanne D. Rich
      (...) I see that my being unable to work has had some more consequences. I can't say I'm unaffected by this conversation. Being discharged from hospital only yesterday, and now leaving for ToyFair on Sunday, there won't be much I can say here or do. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
      (...) I knew there would be some interesting issues around the whole minifig thing. To be clear I *did* get the idea from Suzanne's minifig generator, not the Mindstorms site. However.... I never planned to have an interactive generator, rather just (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Suzanne D. Rich
      (...) I would like to know exactly what you expected. Particularly, how I would feel (as you are replying to my message here). I only posted to this thread because "the whole minifig thing" is quite personal to me. (...) To be clear, where you took (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Larry Pieniazek
       Heavily snipped (...) broke out for emphasis (...) I suspect Kev might, IF you gave permission. I doubt he'd do it without your permission. He doesn't operate that way. (...) broke out for emphasis (...) broke out for emphasis (...) I'm not sure I (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Bram Lambrecht
        (...) I'm getting mentioned quite a lot today :) For anyone interested, the name is bastardized Latin (using a dictionary, I don't speak Latin) Five- wing- nifty suffix Penta- pteri- goid I _have_ built the model and its cradle, which actually holds (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
       
            Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Alan Gerber
        Bram said: (...) The Zero. Alan This message's random set is: 6505, (URL) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
       (...) ditto. (...) I don't see it that way, although I can understand why some would. I am not a big fan of duplicating other peoples efforts. That's why I never made a set database, because a great one already existed. I was unaware that image (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
      
           Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Todd Lehman
       (...) I'd say if anything it's in the really really long-term plan -- someday when bandwidth grows on trees. Image hosting was the very first thing Suzanne and I talked about doing back in the summer of '96 but as soon as it became clear that places (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Mike Stanley
       (...) I read that as "if Todd (assuming Todd has your permission to do so) let me use them" I would use them. Or, more broadly, "since this is something people are already asking for, and since I've already put a ton of work into putting together (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
      (...) Since I had no intentions of using a "minifig generator", I diddn't think you would be affected at all. I did expect some discussion about the IP issues with TLC. (...) ok. (...) Absolutely not! I never said that! In fact what I said is that I (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
     
          Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Todd Lehman
      (...) I think she misunderstood what you meant. She'd been up most of the night packing for a 6:45 a.m. train and had logged in quick just to check mail, etc. and probably wasn't expecting to encounter anything out of the ordinary. Probably read the (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Bram Lambrecht
     (...) Well, I admit that on the page of that model. There are others :) --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com ---...---oooo-----(_...o---...--- WWW: (URL) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
   
        Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Bram Lambrecht
     (...) Thanks! I've been having a bit of trouble uploading files, though. I had to try multiple times for some files (I'm not done yet...), and sending a zip didn't seem to work. Is there any chance that you'll make FTP an option? TIA, --Bram (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
   
        Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Bram Lambrecht
     (...) Will we be able to edit folder names, descriptions, and/or filenames? --Bram (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
     (...) Yes, the very next feature will be "edit file" which will allow you to change the description (not the filename) of a file *AND* a drop down list of all of your folders that you can assign it to as an icon. I've been very busy since Friday (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
   
        Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Bram Lambrecht
     This fits right in with Brickshelf's original purpose: (URL) love your Le-Mans car too: (URL) it on your site? --Bram (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Fredrik Glöckner
     (...) Thanks! Yes, it is on my site, buried down deeply: (URL) currently thinking about reorganizing my site, but I'm not sure where to begin. Oh, and I am actually going to build something which isn't a wheeled vehicle soon. I only have about three (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
   
        Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Bram Lambrecht
     (...) Are you planning on hosting DAT files[1] with the DAT MIME-type? That way, people with LDLite or L3Lab could view the files without saving them. --Bram 1) (URL) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
     (...) Absolutely! Does anyone know offhand which mime type I should use for .DAT's? KL (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Todd Lehman
     (...) Ya, use this: Content-Type: application/x-ldraw --Todd (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
     (...) Thanks! It works great now: (URL) I just need to make a suitable LDraw icon. KL (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
    
         Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Kevin Loch
     Dang it! I type url's as bad as I drive! (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.publish)
   
        Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Matthew Wilkins
   Yipe! (...) Say, Kevin; where do you live so I know to avoid driving there. *smirk* -Cheese (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
   
        Re: Announcing Brickshelf.com Gallery for everyone! —Christopher Tracey
   (...) I live about a mile away from Kevin, just stay off the sidewalks and you should be fine. ;) -chris (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
 

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