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Re: Newsgroup structure: some tough decisions
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lugnet.admin.nntp
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Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:00:13 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.nntp, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.admin.nntp, Eric Joslin writes:
> > > * Add new group lugnet.debate? Why or why not?
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> > Hmm. I'll be honest- I would rather see debates about Bionicle take place
> > in
> > the Bionicle newsgroup, than a general lugnet.ON-topic.debate type group.
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> Me too -- they belong right alongside regular Bionicle discussions, IMHO.
> The funny thing is, they belong more in a lugnet.debate than they do in
> lugnet.off-topic.debate. I haven't been successful yet (ever) at getting
> people not to have LEGO debates in .off-topic.debate.
Ok, to be more clear about it: I would rather see this problem dealt with than
see the group made to try and cause it to happen organically. I certainly
agree that on topic debates moving to lugnet.off-topic.debate is bad- for one
thing, that means I am unlikely to see them, as I filter out the whole
lugnet.off-topic hierarchy!
> > I like having auctions seperated from sales. I generally detest auctions,
> > on
> > eBay or otherwise, and like not having to wade through the auction posts to
> > find the sales. PLEASE keep them seperate. Please!
>
> Wow, a case in point! -- someone who still detests auctions in this day and
> age. :)
I don't feel that it makes me a dinosaur or anything. I simply prefer straight
sales to the point where I will simply flush anything that is an auction,
unless it is for a specific hard-to-find thing, or eBay is going to definitely
get me a better price. I certainly did just win an eBay bid for a non-LEGO
related item, but that was only because finding it outside eBay would be both
hard and more expensive.
> OK...well, along those lines, as we kicked about in November, we -could-
> have subgroups of .forsale -- one for auctions and one for straight sales.
> The sticky issue there, though, is still the issue of whether or not an OBO
> or an SBA is a regular sale or an auction. It's not something everyone will
> ever agree upon. However, I think it's impossible for anyone to argue
> effectively that an OBO or an SBA is a *straight sale* if straight sale
> means essentially "here's the price, take it or leave it."
Agree strongly. Force it to include a price and be first come first serve, and
anything else by the definition of the Lugnet TOS belongs in Auction. An
> > I would really like to see any kind of "for sale" or "for auction" posts
> > limited to the .market hierarchy.
> > And I think the benefit of being able to make the blanket statement "no
> > marketplace activity should take place outside the lugnet.market.*
> > hierarchy"
> > will far outweigh the negatives.
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> I'm of two minds on that -- I think I'm more worried about the possible
> negatives of ignoring (or, rather, not fully supporting in the most natural
> way) AFOLs in non-English-speaking countries.
How does this not support them? Nowhere in the Lugnet TOS (that I'm aware of)
does it say that anything outside the lugnet.loc.* hierarchy must be posted in
English. If a lugnet.market.loc hierarchy were formed, I feel relatively
certain that lugnet.market.loc.it (for example) would not be a group posted to
regularly in English.
And then we get back to the non-ambiguity about market-type posts and where
they belong, which I think would have the effect of drying up much of the
confusion in the TOS in general.
> > I would say let them grow organically, but not axe the sub-region groups.
> > Beleive it or not, I once found the fact that there was a lugnet.loc.* group
> > for Bologna, Italy to be incredibly useful.
>
> You mean more useful than lugnet.loc.it would/could have been? Let's hear
> the anecdote. :-)
Here's the post:
http://news.lugnet.com/loc/it/er/bol/?n=4
Looking back at it, I realise that it never got a Lugnet follow-up! But I was
contacted by someone because I posted it, with many happy effects (on both our
sides, hopefully, but I can't speak for the other person). I would never have
posted something like that to a more general lugnet.loc.it group. Therefore,
the existance of a more specialised group led to a friendship.
eric
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| (...) So if I'm willing to possibly take a lesser offer, or willing to take a bunch of sets in trade, that's an auction? If there is a group which is strictly for "this is the price, first person gets it and giving me this exact amount of money is (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
| | | Re: Newsgroup structure: some tough decisions
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| (...) It's not -just- that, though... It's also that we don't have any "on-topic" type of debate group, just as for the longest time we didn't have any "on-topic" fun group. Uhh, that doesn't come out right. OK, what Shiri Dori wrote here: (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | Re: Newsgroup structure: some tough decisions
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| (...) Me too -- they belong right alongside regular Bionicle discussions, IMHO. The funny thing is, they belong more in a lugnet.debate than they do in lugnet.off-topic.debate. I haven't been successful yet (ever) at getting people not to have LEGO (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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