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Re: Why these news groups were created
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lugnet.admin.nntp
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Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:31:57 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.nntp, Rob Limbaugh wrote:
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Our kids are taught indifference.
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Our kids are taught difference, whether we intend it to happen or not. When I
was growing up, I remember one of the most common playground insults (along with
being stupid or throwing like a girl) was to call someone gay.
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In addition, “LGBT” is a name that leads to discrimination by pointing out an
irrelavant difference between people just for the sake of doing so.
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Discrimination is a process that leads to names like “LGBT” as a means of
banding together against unfair oppression. Discrimination against LGBT people
has been around a lot longer than the actual term, so this is not a Chicken &
Egg scenario. Except within certain groups which aim to dictate morality,
anti-LGBT discrimination seems to have been ebbing a bit, probably in direct
response to the fact that they’re showing everyone that, other than who they
hold hands with, they’re not much different from the rest of us. It’s really
easy to hate “those people”, but it’s a lot harder to feel the same way when it
requires hating your co-worker, your neighbor, your friend, your roommate, or a
family member.
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Specifically, it creates reverse discrimination, as there is no group called
“straight” or “heterosexual”. Discrimination is a byproduct of defining
differences.
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The presence of an LGBT group costs the rest of us nothing. It’s not like being
told that you didn’t get the job because you’re white (like a previous boss of
mine), or being told that you didn’t get accepted for your first choice in
graduate schools because you’re white (like a college friend of mine) because of
racial quotas. If there were a .hetero group that was being shut down in favor
of starting up a .LGBT group, you’d have a legitimate gripe, but as long as you
skip-filter .LGBT, your LUGNET experience should be unaffected. Well, aside
from all of this bickering about how your LUGNET experience is clearly harmed
beyond the possibility of repair.
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A more relevant “people” subgroup would be in regards to those with physical
ailments or restrictions that would limit their ability or aptitude when
building with LEGO.
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So if a need for such a group presents itself, and .support isn’t deemed
suitable to covering that aspect, I’m sure Todd will have no problem with
starting up that group IN ADDITION TO the ones that have already been added.
There’s no budget on the number of groups and subgroups that can be created, so
there’s no reason why the LGBT group would need to be culled to make way for one
catering to those with physical challenges.
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There can’t be tolerance or equality with labels.
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Without bringing the problem into the open and examining it, all we’ll ever have
is a pretense of tolerance and equality.
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Message is in Reply To:
 | | Re: Why these news groups were created
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| In lugnet.admin.nntp, Christopher L. Weeks wrote: SNIPPED useless/pointless commentary from both sides (...) Our kids are taught indifference. Part of that is by not teaching them to inappropriately label people (regardless of who wants the label). (...) (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.nntp, FTX)
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