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Followup-To: lugnet.publish.
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:03:56 GMT, "John DiRienzo"
<ig88888888@stlnet.com> wrote:
> Jasper ,
> At the following link (near the bottom), I have a link to Horst's page
> via Babelfish. Have I done it legally? Is there a legal (or acceptable to
Yup.
For reference, that link is currently:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/cgi-bin/translate?jss&urltext=
http://horst-lehner.mausnet.de/lego/
> Babelfish) way to skip the form page entirely? I think you are saying there
> is a way, but they don't like you to use it??
As far as I can tell, though skipping the form page is possible, but
they don't want you to do it. Legal? Anyone's guess. Whether it's
morally and ethically right is something you'll have to decide for
yourself.
I personally don't think they really mind a great deal, though.
Especially as, as someone already said, all the links on the page you
translate will go through the form page whatever you do.
> So this URL:
> http://babelfish.altavista.com/cgi-bin/translate?doit=done&lp=en_de&urltext=
> http://horst-lehner.mausnet.de/lego/
> is not acceptable, but would work better than the URL that is currently
> linked to in my page?
As far as I can tell, the "translate" CGI script accepts the following
parameters:
jss This is a parameter that is as far as I can
see used only for logging purposes.
doit=done If this parameter is not present, you will be
directed through the form page.
lp=[translationcode] Translation-code is one of the following:
<option value="en_fr" >English to French</option>
<option value="en_de" >English to German</option>
<option value="en_it" >English to Italian</option>
<option value="en_pt" >English to Portuguese</option>
<option value="en_es" >English to Spanish</option>
<option value="fr_en" >French to English</option>
<option value="de_en" >German to English</option>
<option value="it_en" >Italian to English</option>
<option value="es_en" >Spanish to English</option>
<option value="pt_en" >Portuguese to English</option>
urltext=[URL] URL, obviously, is the URL to be translated.
So if you use the above, with lp=de_en instead of en_de (treating
german as if it needed to be translated from english to german is not
a pretty sight..), you will immediately go to an english translation
of Horst's page.
If you leave off the doit=done, you will go to the form page, but with
the appropriate translation languages already selected (which is a
good thing to add, IMHO), as well as the URL. That is the way they say
they want you to do it.
Inasmuch as to whether it's right to do it with the parameter
doit=done, I'm going to go crossthread and reference my earlier
statements of "if it's on an open webserver, it's published". This is
a borderline case of that, IMHO.
For those of you following along at home, if you have a file on your
local computer with forms for various search engines (so that from a
single local page you can use all the search engines you want), here's
what the essential bits of HTML are in the form for babelfish.
This is from my own search engines page, which I don't have available
on the web, but which I can mail if you want.
Note that the doit=done line can be added or removed as desired, but
I've left it in for thos who want it.
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<a name="babelfish"></a>
<form action="http://babelfish.altavista.com/cgi-bin/translate?"
method="POST">
<b><a href="http://babelfish.altavista.com/">Babelfish</a></b>:
<input type="hidden" name="doit" value="done">
To translate, type
<a
href="http://babelfish.altavista.com/content/help.htm#trans_text">plain
text</a>
or the <a
href="http://babelfish.altavista.com/content/help.htm#trans_web">address
(URL)</a>
of a Web page here:
<p><textarea rows="6" wrap=virtual cols="56"
name="urltext"></textarea>
<p>Translate from:
<select name="lp">
<option value="en_fr" >English to French</option>
<option value="en_de" >English to German</option>
<option value="en_it" >English to Italian</option>
<option value="en_pt" >English to Portuguese</option>
<option value="en_es" >English to Spanish</option>
<option value="fr_en" >French to English</option>
<option value="de_en" SELECTED>German to English</option>
<option value="it_en" >Italian to English</option>
<option value="es_en" >Spanish to English</option>
<option value="pt_en" >Portuguese to English</option>
</select>
<input type="Submit" value="Translate">
</form>
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Jasper
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