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Re: what makes a train set a set?
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Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:02:08 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.database, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> To me, and to many other Model Railroaders, a train set by definition
> has to have a locomotive and at least one car. Track and powerpack are
> optional. That's a canonical MR definition. Most sets DO come with track
> and or a power pack but don't have to, per se. 4558 doesn't come with a
> power pack, nor does 4565.
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> Therefore, I feel:
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> http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=3225-1
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> is miscategorized. Assuming no new categories get created the analysis
> goes as follows:
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> It's under "train cars" but it has a locomotive. A locomotive is not a
> car. It doesn't belong under locomotives the way 4551 does, because it
> has cars. So it, by elimination can't be in cars, or in locomotives. It
> certainly doesn't belong in buildings or accesssories or accessory
> elements or accessory track. Therefore by elimination, it's a set.
I didn't lay out the sub-categories for the train stuff so I'm speculating
here, but I'm thinkin' that prolly what Joshua meant by "train cars" was
"sets where the main model has wheels that go on train tracks"...? (As
opposed to sets which are mainly, say, a "base" on the ground.)
> However, my opening para carries the day even without the analysis.
> IMNSHO.
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> While we're harping on categorizations, what is up with
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> http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=5308-1
> vs.
> http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=5310-1
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> One is in "accessories" and the other is in "accessory elements" These
> two service packs differ by one part. What is the difference between
> accessories and accessory elements? I looked at a number of the other
> ones and wasn't able to discern a scheme. I would merge these two
> categories together. Or better yet, call this subcat "service packs"
> because that's what they are. (although for 12V some of the accessory
> elements didn't come in service packs)
That looks like an oversight. Thanks for pointing it out. I changed the
two sets marked "Accessories" under 9v trains to "Accessory Elements" (to
match). Whether it should be "Accessory Elements" or "Service Packs", I'm
not sure but at least they match now.
> Finally, (given that I can't win 4549 not being a car because it has
> more than just a car,
Yah, that one looks like a good example of a set with multiple attributes.
> and that I can't get a MOW category created for
> 4525, which is NOT a car, ditto 4541, but I digress...)
(What is "MOW"?)
> I would rename
> Accessory Track to Track. What is Accessory telling you that you didn't
> already know in this instance?
Hmm, not sure, other than that it helps identify it as an accessory pack
as opposed to a mainstream set...?
--Todd
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| Let's get Joshua to comment, but for now.... I'll put my oar in anyway. (...) That definition ("has trainwheels") matches all three of the categories cars, locos, and train sets. So I don't think that's it. I believe 3225 is the only set across ALL (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.database)
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| To me, and to many other Model Railroaders, a train set by definition has to have a locomotive and at least one car. Track and powerpack are optional. That's a canonical MR definition. Most sets DO come with track and or a power pack but don't have (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.database)
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