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In lugnet.pirates, Kenneth Tam writes:
> G'day all...
>
> A while back, while I was building my little sloop 'Flame', I found myself
> lacking in guns. With only 12 cannon in my arsenal, I set about designing my
> own.
>
> The 9-pounders of old, http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=111984
> proved fairly successful, so even after 'Flame' had a bad run-in with a
> French 74, I kept them around. Since then, Richie Dulin has multiplied the
> number of designs available for use by small squadrons, so I chose to go
> that road again.
I like that cannon... I'll try building one!
>
> As I enter another spur of Naval building, I've had to build more...
> bigger... better!
>
> Here they are, first a short 12-pounder:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=216809
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=216810
Great Idea of using those camera bricks!
>
> Generally out-classed by the 18-pounders of the 1780s and on, these guns
> still formed the main armament of many frigates, and the upper deck
> aramaments of some ships of the line.
>
> And a 32-pounder Carronade:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=216807
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=216808
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> Notorious for their power at short range and among the most common
> Carronades, these supplanted 6-pounders and 9-pounders as the Quarterdeck
> araments for most ships by 1800, and starting with 'Cruizer' in the 1790s,
> began to be the exclusive armaments for small vessels.
I've alway's liked carronades, and I really like how realistic that
carronade is, but its a bit big for my ship! :(
(it'll be done soon, I promise!)
> I'm particularly fond of the Carronade. Despite the "darkening of the bronze
> guns caused by much gunsmoke and years of use" -- in other words, despite
> being brown -- I think the shape of them is approximated rather well, and
> the slide mountings work out decently enough too.
>
> Sorry for the dark pics, but I'll have better ones as soon as they (and
> their brothers and sisters) are mounted.
>
> So for all you poor colonial sailors out there, worry not about the big
> 18-pounder Lego guns! Cast your own!
What makes you think that Lego cannons are 18-pounders? I think their more
around 24.
>
> Kenneth Tam
Great cannons!
-JHK
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> I like that cannon... I'll try building one!
Woohoo! A franchise! : )
> I've alway's liked carronades, and I really like how realistic that
> carronade is, but its a bit big for my ship! :(
> (it'll be done soon, I promise!)
Good old Carronades! You could probably squeeze a *couple* in! : )
> What makes you think that Lego cannons are 18-pounders? I think their more
> around 24.
Well, I actually puzzled over this for hours. In stud-feet, Lego cannon are
about 6 or 7 feet long, making them only as long as short 12s. But their
bore is a foot!
Eventually, I settled on 18-pounder simply as a compromise: they're only
just as long as my 12s, but their more is 12-inch... really, they could
probably be anything 18 and up!
> Great cannons!
Thanks... now I just need ships to put them in...
Kenneth Tan
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In lugnet.pirates, Kenneth Tam writes:
> > I like that cannon... I'll try building one!
>
> Woohoo! A franchise! : )
>
> > I've alway's liked carronades, and I really like how realistic that
> > carronade is, but its a bit big for my ship! :(
> > (it'll be done soon, I promise!)
>
> Good old Carronades! You could probably squeeze a *couple* in! : )
Oh I have- 2 on the Forcastle. But their pitifully simple! :)
>
> > What makes you think that Lego cannons are 18-pounders? I think their more
> > around 24.
>
> Well, I actually puzzled over this for hours. In stud-feet, Lego cannon are
> about 6 or 7 feet long, making them only as long as short 12s. But their
> bore is a foot!
Using Dave Eaton's conversion tool, assuming that a the average person is
5.9 feet, a cannon is 7.87 minifig feet, rounded to 8.
(http://www.suave.net/~dave/cgi/scale.cgi is the conversion tool)
How does this measure up? Anybody got any cannon length resources?
-JHK
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There's a calculator for these things? Oh my, I've been working under the 1
stud = 1 foot system (based on the principle that each fig foot is one stud,
and so one 'imperial' foot).
I'm working from 'The Line Of Battle' (Conway's History of the Ship), Brian
Lavery's excellent 'Nelson's Navy', and Bernard Ireland's 'Naval Warfare in
the Age of Sail' for my measurements on gun size...
So, an 8 foot long gun comes up as...
- One of Congreve's 'Cannonade' 24-pounders, c 1812
- A French 8-pounder
- A Short 9-pounder
- A Long 6-pounder
Acording to Ireland, a 12-pounder would be 8.5 feet and 18-pounder would
come out at 9 feet. His tables show a 24-pounder to be at least 9 -- as a
long gun, at least.
So aside from the Carronade-Cannon hybrids designed in the second decade of
the 19th century, it seems there weren't many big-calibre guns at 8 feet.
However, Lego Cannon still seem big enough to count as heavy guns... and
since they're little plastic tubes, not weighty iron guns... put it this
way, I think we all have licence to use them as we want.
18s, 24s, 36s -- oh my!
Uh-oh, I think Nelson's ghost is coming to beat me...
; )
Kenneth Tam
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