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Re: Are 6259 and 6267 Soldiers or Imperial Guards?
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Fri, 4 May 2001 05:56:44 GMT
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You have some fine pionts and I agree with you Jon.
I think that Lego would never show the blue and red
actually fighting each other. Just the privateers.
Maybe Todd has just taken it from the Pause guide:
http://www.lugnet.com/pause/pirates.html#Soldiers
Although the Fibblesnork guide supports my case:
http://www.lugnet.com/fibblesnork/lego/guide/pirates/
I think I like the blue best too. On the other hand I
have a lot more reds. And the red admiral is really
cool.
Christian
In lugnet.pirates, Jon Furman writes:
> Christian,
> I've asked this question in this newsgroup on several occasions, and I'm
> Afraid there are no definitive answers. At some point Lego decided that the
> soldiers should switch colors, and it appears that the switch didn't
> necessarily happen overnight. Possibly, Lego knew that the old stuff would
> still be on the shelves when the new stuff arrived, so they kept it (old
> stuff) in the new catalogs so kids would know it was available. A cursory
> look at the 1991 Pirate offering reveals that it consisted of two polybag
> pirate / raft combos, the two aforementioned soldier sets, and the rock
> Island refuge. Not a huge offering, especially at a time when Pirates were
> Lego's big sellers.
> I'd wager that they spent 1991 designing the new sets and gave the public a
> few mid year releases to supplement the line and maintain interest. This is
> just an opinion, and I'm perfectly ready to be wrong.
> There are several possible reasons, but the one that works best for me goes
> like this. There really needed to be two military forces represented if the
> "age of sail" were to be covered adequately, British and Spanish. the
> Pirates themselves would most likely be of British or Dutch origin, raiding
> Spanish ships and settlements in the Carribbean (Spanish Main). Since most
> acts of piracy were actually made under the guise of privateering - "Legal
> piracy sponsored by a specific nation during a time of war" There would need
> to be two distinct warring nations represented. Possibly after three years
> of blue (Spanish?), the red (British?) was introduced. (I am aware that the
> British NAVY wore Blue uniforms, but there had to be some major distinction)
> The main drawback , or argument to this opinion (and a good argument at
> that) is the fact that the spanish were most definitely the inspiration for
> 1996's ill fated Imperial Armada line of Soldiers. The Morion style helmets
> really give it away.
>
> It is possible however that the Imperial Guards were intended to be just an
> update of the soldiers, with red being the fresh new color scheme, and they
> were introduced in 1992 along with the last batch of Soldier sets produced.
>
> As to why Lugnet lists the final two Soldier sets (1991) with the Imperial
> Guards sets (1992), I think we will just have to let Todd Lehman explain it.
> As confused as I am about it, His explanations usually make perfect sense.
>
> I hope this starts a discussion here, see you all soon. Jon (who
> personally prefers the blue soldiers)
>
>
>
> In lugnet.pirates, Christian Lindblad Rasmussen writes:
> > While searching for pirate sets I noticed that 6259 Broadside's Brig and
> > 6267 Lagoon Lock-up are listed as belonging to the Imperial Guards.
> > Shouldn´t they be under Soldiers?
> >
> > The 4 sets under Soldiers was released in 1989 and 1990. They all sport
> > blue coats and flags.
> > http://guide.lugnet.com/set/?qc=lego/system/pirate/soldiers
> >
> > The 2 sets in question was released in 1991 and also have blue coats and
> > flags.
> >
> > The rest of the sets listed under Imperial Guards are from 1992 through
> > 1995. They have red coats and red flags.
> > http://guide.lugnet.com/set/?qc=lego/system/pirate/imperialguards
> >
> > I have visited Brickshelf to see if the old catalog would be of any help.
> > But they show 6259 and 6267 as belonging to both groups:
> > As part of Soldiers:
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/scans/catalogs/1991/c91de/c91de-18.html
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/scans/catalogs/1991/c91de/c91de-19.html
> > As part of Imperial Guards:
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/scans/catalogs/1992/c92us/c92us-07.html
> >
> > The catalogs and the release years doesn't provide an answer.
> > But the two sets have the same coats and flags as the Soldiers.
> >
> > Christian
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| Christian, I've asked this question in this newsgroup on several occasions, and I'm Afraid there are no definitive answers. At some point Lego decided that the soldiers should switch colors, and it appears that the switch didn't necessarily happen (...) (23 years ago, 2-May-01, to lugnet.pirates)
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