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Re: Not Saving Private Ryan.
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Mon, 31 May 2004 23:05:46 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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I think “randomly dropped” would be a better descriptor. ;)
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Flung about willy-nilly? Snafu was the order of the day, and it was up the
skill, intelligence, and daring of those involved to make order out of chaos.
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Were they with the specific single company covered in the film? This was a
very narrow focus story about a very narrow set of characters and you are
complaining that the entire scope of D-Day wasn’t covered.
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The landing craft’s pilot would probably have been a Brit.
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I can’t say that I recall one way or the other, but I presume that they would be
used because of familiarity with the waters/landfalls, though that was snafu-ed,
too.
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It’s a simply
ridiculous criticism.
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I see your point, perhaps I was just been overly cautious of the movie
industry re-writing history.
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I understand the sentiment. Hollywood (and film in general) tends to sacrifice
accuracy on the altar of “story” and expediency.
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As an aside, yesterday I read
this
review of SPR by someone who has not seen the movie: ‘I regard so many of
the pictures made nowadays as sheer exaggerations. Sentimental twaddle. I
don’t think I’d be very impressed with it.’ Let’s just hope he’s not seen
Pearl Harbour... that is “sentimental twaddle”!
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Twaddle in many ways defines “Saving Private Ryan”, but the opening set piece
did the one thing that was missing from virtually every war film: the sheer raw
horror, randomness and brutality of it.
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If you wish to say that the entirety of film doesn’t
do the Canadians/Brits/French/Russians/Etc. enough coverage, that’s a
different issue entirely, and one that the Brits should point a finger at
themselves for in part.
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As I have said, I don’t think a movie is the best way to convey what happened
on D-Day. Personally, I find the stills much more disturbing that any effect
Spielberg can throw at me. I’m also interested in perspective of the
“Germans” who tried to repel the invasion.
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The stills are real, with real death. That’s always more disturbing, but does
not necessarily have the same impact since you are not immersed in the sound and
terror of the situation.
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Also, in WW2, what would the chances of a black guy
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(Diesel) being in a frontline squad be? Were non-whites not relegated to
logistics (as they could not be trusted to fight by those who knew best)?
Either way SPR is not the history lesson some would suggest.
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I think you are making some inaccurate assumptions about Vin Diesel’s
ethnicity to refer to him simply as “black”.
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Indeed, I understand that is his USP. Thankfully, I think SPR is the only one
of his efforts I have encountered.
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USP?
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Anyway, the character he was
playing was Italian (Pvt. Adrian Caparzo).
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I was pretty sure he was an American? Can Mr Diesel do accents? Anyhow, are
there no black Italians? ;)
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I was trying not to be tedious and run through “American of Italian descent” and
then explain how mixed race white/blacks sometimes pass specifically for
Italians (consider tedious explanation for culture in question appended here).
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I can’t check IMDB at work, so I can’t check what you mean…
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Use of a “body double”, or the production companies involved?
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I’m sure I’ve seen that movie, but I can’t remember a thing about it right
now. Anyhow, you yanks deserve all you get on the topic of “breaking the
sound barrier” as you stole that achievement from us using a plane that could
not even take off! Cheats!
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A brit breaks the sound barrier in the film by “reversing the controls”. No
mention of Americans, much less Yeager. At least U571 referenced the real
incidents (but U571 was the very movie I had in mind in regards to Brits should
not trust their stories to Hollywood).
-->Bruce<--
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| (...) Unique Selling Point. I understand he ticks all the correct ethnic minority boxes in one swoop. This means there is no need for other minorities to have a token presence in a movie, thus allowing more room for white guys! (...) I knew fine (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) I think "randomly dropped” would be a better descriptor. ;) (...) The landing craft's pilot would probably have been a Brit. (...) I see your point, perhaps I was just been overly cautious of the movie industry re-writing history. As an aside, (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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