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In lugnet.general, Eric Sophie wrote:
it’s only too bad it didin’t stay that way. hopefully that will change sometime
soon.
god bless america
ondrew
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In lugnet.general, Ondrew Hartigan wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Eric Sophie wrote:
it’s only too bad it didin’t stay that way. hopefully that will change
sometime soon.
god bless america
ondrew
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Yes, let’s we all came together and pray to the Lord that he bless America. And
let’s don’t care about if he bless any others or not.
Selçuk
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Selçuk Göre wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Ondrew Hartigan wrote:
>
> > In lugnet.general, Eric Sophie wrote:
> > it's only too bad it didin't stay that way. hopefully that will change
> > sometime soon.
> >
> > god bless america
> > ondrew
>
> Yes, let's we all came together and pray to the Lord that he bless America. And
> let's don't care about if he bless any others or not.
>
> Selçuk
Excuse me if I answer a troll but feel that I have to.
First of all, let's all come to together and pray to the Lord to have mercy on all
the victims of 9/11 and it's aftermath.
Makeing sarcastic remarks about any of the victims is just bad taste.
But have to admit that I too cringe at the phrase "god bless america".
But note that I cringe just as bad at "god bless sweden" or any other nation.
A meeting flanked by large Swedish flags and using such phrases is 99 out of 100
neonazis or racists.
I ask our NA friends to remember that such parades and phrases was at the core
of nationalistic and fascist movements that triggered WW2.
Patriotism is wonderful, when displayed at national days and sports events.
At other events it's tends to get a foul hint of nationalism.
I'm am fully aware that this is _not_ the case in the US, I'm just asking you to
understand why we sometimes act a bit odd to such events.
And please, don't read this as a flamebait. If you feel the need to flame please
do so over email.
// anders
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In lugnet.general, Anders B Jansson wrote:
> Selçuk Göre wrote:
> > In lugnet.general, Ondrew Hartigan wrote:
> >
> > > In lugnet.general, Eric Sophie wrote:
> > > it's only too bad it didin't stay that way. hopefully that will change
> > > sometime soon.
> > >
> > > god bless america
> > > ondrew
> >
> > Yes, let's we all came together and pray to the Lord that he bless America. And
> > let's don't care about if he bless any others or not.
> >
> > Selçuk
>
> Excuse me if I answer a troll but feel that I have to.
>
> First of all, let's all come to together and pray to the Lord to have mercy on all
> the victims of 9/11 and it's aftermath.
>
> Makeing sarcastic remarks about any of the victims is just bad taste.
>
>
I most probably am a troll, so you are probably answering one, but I don't think
you owe any apologies to anyone about that..:-)
There is no need to flame on my side, since, appearently we are exactly thinking
the same about "god bless xxx". I just need to clear that, my sarcasm has
absolutely nothing to do with any of the victims (1). I just need to point out
that "we all came together" and "god bless america" is a bit exclusive.
Regards,
Selçuk
(1) http://www.lugnet.com/~1024/WeAllCameTogether you can see my name here, too.
And be sure that it is really from heart. 9/11 was just after the big quake that
we had here, and I still have way too many bad memories by my firsthand
experience about searching for bodies under collapsed buildings.
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In lugnet.general, Selçuk Göre wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Anders B Jansson wrote:
> > Selçuk Göre wrote:
> > > In lugnet.general, Ondrew Hartigan wrote:
> > >
> > > > In lugnet.general, Eric Sophie wrote:
> > > > it's only too bad it didin't stay that way. hopefully that will change
> > > > sometime soon.
> > > >
> > > > god bless america
> > > > ondrew
Oh my goodness. Selçuk I am so sorry to hear about your experience. My heart
goes out to you and your country man. I remember this event. I grew up in
California, earthquakes were somewhat common, though it is nothing compared to
what you went through. ::heartfelt::
Do me a favor also, I guess just understand and allow Ondrew to use a saying
common to Americans regarding this National Tradedy.
I grew up in a Buddhist House hold, so I don't use that saying either.
However, it does not offend or concern me. Let's just let it go.
Thank you for your sentiments in the original thread, those 5 years ago.
::heartfelt::
> > > Yes, let's we all came together and pray to the Lord that he bless America. And
> > > let's don't care about if he bless any others or not.
> > >
> > > Selçuk
> >
> > Excuse me if I answer a troll but feel that I have to.
> >
> > First of all, let's all come to together and pray to the Lord to have mercy on all
> > the victims of 9/11 and it's aftermath.
> >
> > Makeing sarcastic remarks about any of the victims is just bad taste.
> >
> >
>
> I most probably am a troll, so you are probably answering one, but I don't think
> you owe any apologies to anyone about that..:-)
>
> There is no need to flame on my side, since, appearently we are exactly thinking
> the same about "god bless xxx". I just need to clear that, my sarcasm has
> absolutely nothing to do with any of the victims (1). I just need to point out
> that "we all came together" and "god bless america" is a bit exclusive.
>
> Regards,
>
> Selçuk
>
> (1) http://www.lugnet.com/~1024/WeAllCameTogether you can see my name here, too.
> And be sure that it is really from heart. 9/11 was just after the big quake that
> we had here, and I still have way too many bad memories by my firsthand
> experience about searching for bodies under collapsed buildings.
PLEASE LET THIS THREAD GO. WE ALL DESERVE A CLEAN SLATE TO GROW UPON.
Otherwise we are nothing.
Thank you,
Eric Sophie
9/11 Disaster Recovery by way of professional duty.
Voicestream wireless.
P.S. I remember working at the network operations center.
We had a conference call going 24hours a day with NYC officials and local rescue
services. There were people calling on their phones under the rubble.
When a call would come in, some people had low signal and the call would drop.
In that brief moment, we could look up that person's account as the call entered
the system, then we relayed the info to NYC officials.
I must say, out of all the memories I have, the most erie is hearing those calls
and working to help put a name to those desperate people.
Most I never knew what happened to them or if they ever got help. All I could do
is navigate the methods to determine who the calls were coming from. So they
would not be lost. As well as triangulate the location where the cell call was
recieved. So in a way, Selçuk, we share a similar experience. Though, you, had
much more of a reality than I did.
Let us both pause.
yours,
Eric Sophie
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In lugnet.general, Eric Sophie wrote:
It is hard to believe it has been 5 years already since this occurred, and for
me, the feelings have not changed.
It is interesting to go back and see these series of posts from that day, and
she what was going on then. Thanks to Todd, Suzanne and all the others, past and
present, who have kept LUGNET going all these years and for being able to see
this again.
Scott Sanburn
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President, Michiana-LUG / LTC
Warsaw, Indiana
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