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In lugnet.castle, Jeremy Scott writes:
> Hello All!!!
<snipped first part of excellent idea>
> ----Baseplate:
>
> A common Lego 16x16 baseplate with smooth bottom is the standard size for a
> Marketplace Shop. The baseplate must be green, unless the market shop is
> being built custom for a show where the color has been defined as something
> other than green. (IE: the show will have a desert marketplace, therefore
> the baseplate will be tan.)
<and snipped the rest>
First off, great idea and setup, just the thing needed to breath some life
back into .castle. In fact, I've started on my first module for this
project. The above section is the only one I'd like to critique.
Now, most of the time un-paved roads are worn areas (IRL and in 99% of the
Lego villages I've seen). So I think it only makes sense to make tan the
standard, with the option of adding the green on to landscape. This will
further enhance the worn in, rutted look of the road. Green would be more
for courtyard and outskirt areas.
Of course, just my opinion. Plus, in my case, tan baseplates of the 16x
persuasion are more abundant in my collection.
Even if the standard is strictly kept green, it should be ok for me to use a
tan baseplate and "green up" the edges, yes?
(for example, look at the meshing of green and tan, particularly in front of
the small house beside the church, in this folder):
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=13151
I hope that this idea is at least considered.
Eagerly anticipating seeing this idea take off,
-Chris
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Hi Chris,
The standard is currently green; however we wanted it to be as flexible as
possible. I am sure that it would be okay to use a tan plate if you
"greened" up the edges where it would meet the other shops. The main idea
is getting together with other people and having shops that "fit" together.
We thought about making the paths brown or tan but decided to go with green
because it makes it easily for the most people to be able to build according
to the standard. Anyway, that was our thoughts.
Josh
> Now, most of the time un-paved roads are worn areas (IRL and in 99% of the
> Lego villages I've seen). So I think it only makes sense to make tan the
> standard, with the option of adding the green on to landscape. This will
> further enhance the worn in, rutted look of the road. Green would be more
> for courtyard and outskirt areas.
>
> Of course, just my opinion. Plus, in my case, tan baseplates of the 16x
> persuasion are more abundant in my collection.
>
> Even if the standard is strictly kept green, it should be ok for me to use a
> tan baseplate and "green up" the edges, yes?
> (for example, look at the meshing of green and tan, particularly in front of
> the small house beside the church, in this folder):
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=13151
>
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Just to further comment (while still agreeing with Josh)...
The other reason we did choose green as the standard, was because we knew
green is the color most commonly found on a baseplate. While our motives
were quite the opposite of pleasing just ourselves, for many of us, our
personal collections persauded different decisions. Therefore, since the
green was more common in many of our collections, we saw it fit to use the
more common color so that we could ensure that we did not make it difficult
for people with small collections to participate.
Also, though this fact had little to do with our desicion making, the real
temporary type marketplaces which we based our plans on were set up on a
field and lasted for only a few days. Though there may be a noticable path
left when the market is torn down, it would not be as noticable as a well
worn road and should still be very greenish.
I hope that Josh and my comments make sense. The standard is only to ensure
that the shops are compatable. If you wish to show a worn area we welcome
you to because it shows the unique building style of each builder, and we
want that. The standard is flexable. :)
Jeremy
In lugnet.castle, Josh Wedin writes:
> Hi Chris,
>
> The standard is currently green; however we wanted it to be as flexible as
> possible. I am sure that it would be okay to use a tan plate if you
> "greened" up the edges where it would meet the other shops. The main idea
> is getting together with other people and having shops that "fit" together.
> We thought about making the paths brown or tan but decided to go with green
> because it makes it easily for the most people to be able to build according
> to the standard. Anyway, that was our thoughts.
>
> Josh
>
> > Now, most of the time un-paved roads are worn areas (IRL and in 99% of the
> > Lego villages I've seen). So I think it only makes sense to make tan the
> > standard, with the option of adding the green on to landscape. This will
> > further enhance the worn in, rutted look of the road. Green would be more
> > for courtyard and outskirt areas.
> >
> > Of course, just my opinion. Plus, in my case, tan baseplates of the 16x
> > persuasion are more abundant in my collection.
> >
> > Even if the standard is strictly kept green, it should be ok for me to use a
> > tan baseplate and "green up" the edges, yes?
> > (for example, look at the meshing of green and tan, particularly in front of
> > the small house beside the church, in this folder):
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=13151
> >
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Hi Josh,
Along Chris's line of thinking -- there are a lot of sets from recent years
with 16x32 tan or brown baseplates - anyone that collects the original
Adventurers or Wild West series has a truck load of them, myself included. I
can't think of many sets in the last.. 5 years that came with green
16x32's.. they've been less prevelant.
If the goal is to allow the most people to join in, unless you're talking
those with purely Old School (IE: 80's to early 90's) collections, it seems
like you could be shooting some people in the foot by making it be green and
only tan/brown if in the desert. Most town markets would have a bit of
trouble keeping their grass green and growing - it's trampled to heck and
back by thousands of hoofs, feet and wagon wheels.
Having a permanently built Ren Faire only an hour south of me, I've seen the
results of this in "reality" -- the grass is in the large fields behind the
shop buildings but there just isn't much more than brown scrub between the
shops because it's been scoured down to rock and dirt. The only place that
is an exception is where the creek splits the Faire's property -- there are
lots of trees and grass for maybe 30 feet on either side along the banks.
I know you said it would likely be 'ok' to have green plates along the edges
of a tan baseplate to blend it, which I think is a great idea (love your
example Chris, it's perfect) but there are also people that don't
necessarily have much in the way of green plates to do that.
Just a thought aimed towards inclusion vs unintentional exclusion. The Space
guys need gray plates for obvious reasons.. castle doesn't 'have' to have
green. It's not about the plates, it's about the spirit right? :)
JJ
In lugnet.castle, Josh Wedin writes:
> Hi Chris,
>
> The standard is currently green; however we wanted it to be as flexible as
> possible. I am sure that it would be okay to use a tan plate if you
> "greened" up the edges where it would meet the other shops. The main idea
> is getting together with other people and having shops that "fit" together.
> We thought about making the paths brown or tan but decided to go with green
> because it makes it easily for the most people to be able to build according
> to the standard. Anyway, that was our thoughts.
>
> Josh
>
> > Now, most of the time un-paved roads are worn areas (IRL and in 99% of the
> > Lego villages I've seen). So I think it only makes sense to make tan the
> > standard, with the option of adding the green on to landscape. This will
> > further enhance the worn in, rutted look of the road. Green would be more
> > for courtyard and outskirt areas.
> >
> > Of course, just my opinion. Plus, in my case, tan baseplates of the 16x
> > persuasion are more abundant in my collection.
> >
> > Even if the standard is strictly kept green, it should be ok for me to use a
> > tan baseplate and "green up" the edges, yes?
> > (for example, look at the meshing of green and tan, particularly in front of
> > the small house beside the church, in this folder):
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=13151
> >
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Just to comment even more (while agreeing with Josh and Jeremy)...
One could presume that any market stalls with worn tan paths would be those
that are doing the most business with mini-figure patrons. As long as the
builder provides a compatible transition from tan to green so they can match
up to their neighbors, then why not? The key is to have this standard so
that one plate matches up to the next without any sudden change in terrain.
Joel also said,
> Just a thought aimed towards inclusion vs unintentional exclusion. The Space
> guys need gray plates for obvious reasons.. castle doesn't 'have' to have
> green.
True, but if the terrain is supposedly mostly "natural" then the transitions
from one plate to another need to not be sudden; that is to say we don't
want any straight lines between colors unless there is a reason for it (like
a guy with a shovel who is making it that way or something).
Also, the Space guys do not need gray plates unless they restrict their
imaginations only to surfaces like the moon of Earth. Other moons or
planets could have almost any color surface, including green. They chose
gray as the color for the Moonbase project presumably because they wanted to
use the extra-large baseplates that come only in gray.
Cheers,
-Hendo
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In lugnet.castle, John P. Henderson writes:
>
> Just to comment even more (while agreeing with Josh and Jeremy)...
>
> One could presume that any market stalls with worn tan paths would be those
> that are doing the most business with mini-figure patrons. As long as the
> builder provides a compatible transition from tan to green so they can match
> up to their neighbors, then why not? The key is to have this standard so
> that one plate matches up to the next without any sudden change in terrain.
Understood. Just throwing it out as devil's advocate. :)
>
> Joel also said,
> > Just a thought aimed towards inclusion vs unintentional exclusion. The Space
> > guys need gray plates for obvious reasons.. castle doesn't 'have' to have
> > green.
>
> True, but if the terrain is supposedly mostly "natural" then the transitions
> from one plate to another need to not be sudden; that is to say we don't
> want any straight lines between colors unless there is a reason for it (like
> a guy with a shovel who is making it that way or something).
Same as above but sometimes people can't avoid that. Just pointing it out as
it came to mind as it did with Chris.
>
> Also, the Space guys do not need gray plates unless they restrict their
> imaginations only to surfaces like the moon of Earth. Other moons or
> planets could have almost any color surface, including green. They chose
> gray as the color for the Moonbase project presumably because they wanted to
> use the extra-large baseplates that come only in gray.
>
> Cheers,
> -Hendo
Oh, I agree. However the idea was a moon base and one of their requirements
were the 96x96 plates (or whatever they are!) for compatibility, most
useable space, and they did say no hodgepodge baseplates - if I'm
remembering what I read - too lazy to go back and peek at their guidelines
again. :)
Anyway as long as using brown or tan can be acceptable, I'm sure most people
participating will be able to blend it all in so it's moot. Just trying to
think of anyone that might wanna participate that may not have enough plates
to do so. ;)
JJ
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