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In lugnet.build.military, Bruce Hietbrink wrote:
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Hi all,
It looks like Jumpei Mitsui has started a huge project to build a fig-scale
Battleship Yamamoto.
You may remember his previous model at a smaller scale, and a
space version.
Anyway, the hull on this new version is a thing of beauty.
Bruce
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Thank you for your introduction of my project, Bruce.
This is my biggest challenge and still under construction.
1/40 Battleship YAMATO
It’s minifig scale, and it will come to 6.5m (21ft).
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=114077
It has passed 2 years since I began to build, and about one third of all is
made.
This ship is still being built. I’ll need a lot of time for completing this
work, but I’m going to build this step by step.
I will add some photos from time to time.
I have already built a few works for YAMATO.
Main gun(type 94) http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=111341
Sub gun http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=111456
Anti-air(type 89) http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=32882
Anti-air(type 96) http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=32891
Ship-based spotter plane
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=111574
Motor launch(17m) http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=111710
Motor launch(15m) http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=111711
Here are my previous works of another YAMATO
Star Blazers http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=58795
Mini YAMATO http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=31246
Thank you.
Jumpei Mitsui
JUNLEGO http://www.geocities.jp/jun_brick/
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Jumpei Mitsui wrote:
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This is my biggest challenge and still under construction.
1/40 Battleship YAMATO
It’s minifig scale, and it will come to 6.5m (21ft).
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Is 1:40 minifig scale?
I’d like to ellicit a wide number of opnions because I’m just about to start
building a (much smaller) minifig scale model.
I assumed a minifig to be 6ft tall, giving me a ratio of 1 to 46 (rounded).
The japanese are a lot smaller, so to them perhaps minifig scale is 40:1.
Has their ever been an agreed standard for Minifig scale? or is their just an
acceptable range?
LMKWYT
Steve
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In lugnet.build, Steve Lane wrote:
> Is 1:40 minifig scale?
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> I'd like to ellicit a wide number of opnions because I'm just about to start
> building a (much smaller) minifig scale model.
Heh, I've done some checking...
http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=33904
http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=36062
Really, the answer is "whatever you think is right". Minifigs are just built
very un-humanly. Very thick front-to-back, very wide, or very short. Or all
three.
In general, people usually derive scale by minifig height, typically yielding
somewhere around 1:38 - 1:44. I think average human height is roughly 5'6"
(males being taller on average, females being shorter on average), and
"standard" minifigs are about 42mm tall (but can be taller/shorter depending on
the use of neck accessories, headgear, stubby legs, minifig skirts, etc)
Of course the other school of thought is "No, minifig scale is its own thing".
Basically, that minifig models should use selective compression, the same way
that Lego sets do. Things like cars which are typically 4-wide? Trains that are
6-wide? Storey's that are 6 bricks tall? Pft. Minifigs have a scale that's all
their own.
I typically use a little of both. Plus, if it's a HUGE model, I tend to go for a
smaller scale so that I won't run out of bricks. If it's a small model, I'll opt
for a larger scale so that I can put in more detail. Or in some cases, I'll find
a "defining" part of the model-- like "Oh, this particular piece looks
perfect!", and I'll base the rest of the scale around that one element.
> Has their ever been an agreed standard for Minifig scale? or is their just an
> acceptable range?
Nope, nothing definite, unless you're explicitly building a model for a layout
that's got a certain standard arranged by other builders.
A long time ago, I went with the 6-feet-average-height, and came up with this
converter, that assumes 7mm = 1 minifig scale foot by default:
http://www.suave.net/~dave/cgi/scale.cgi
But you can change the default to assume minifigs are however tall you want.
DaveE
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In lugnet.build, Steve Lane wrote:
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Jumpei Mitsui wrote:
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This is my biggest challenge and still under construction.
1/40 Battleship YAMATO
It’s minifig scale, and it will come to 6.5m (21ft).
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Is 1:40 minifig scale?
I’d like to ellicit a wide number of opnions because I’m just about to start
building a (much smaller) minifig scale model.
I assumed a minifig to be 6ft tall, giving me a ratio of 1 to 46 (rounded).
The japanese are a lot smaller, so to them perhaps minifig scale is 40:1.
Has their ever been an agreed standard for Minifig scale? or is their just an
acceptable range?
LMKWYT
Steve
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If you use 1 inch = 1 meter, a minifig is about 4 1/2 feet tall, a good size to
relate to kids, I think. Then use four studs = one “inch”, or one meter. It’s
not really accurate, but it sure is easy!
Tim (Smith)
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In lugnet.build, Timothy P. Smith wrote:
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In lugnet.build, Steve Lane wrote:
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Jumpei Mitsui wrote:
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This is my biggest challenge and still under construction.
1/40 Battleship YAMATO
It’s minifig scale, and it will come to 6.5m (21ft).
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Is 1:40 minifig scale?
I’d like to ellicit a wide number of opnions because I’m just about to start
building a (much smaller) minifig scale model.
I assumed a minifig to be 6ft tall, giving me a ratio of 1 to 46 (rounded).
The japanese are a lot smaller, so to them perhaps minifig scale is 40:1.
Has their ever been an agreed standard for Minifig scale? or is their just
an acceptable range?
LMKWYT
Steve
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If you use 1 inch = 1 meter, a minifig is about 4 1/2 feet tall, a good size
to relate to kids, I think. Then use four studs = one “inch”, or one meter.
It’s not really accurate, but it sure is easy!
Tim (Smith)
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I agree with previous posts that the variability of minifigs, not to mention
their dispropotion nature means that a number of scales are possible. However,
for me personally Minifig scale is not really 40:1. I have been doing a lot of
work with Minifig scaling including an automatic spreadsheet to convert
‘real-world’ to minfig scale in studs, meters and feet. My conclusion is that
the closest practical scale is 1:45, making Yamato 6.06m or 19.8 ft.
This having been said, the most important thing about large minifig projects in
my experience is scaling the items to the actual bricks available an so that
they work for the model in question. To this end Jumpei Mitsui’s work is
superb! Each of the items is cleverly crafted to actual work in minifig scale
and just like the real thing. As an avid fan of Naval history I can only admire
his work and ask myself: if only I had a spare 20ft space to create such a
monster!
Ed (Diment)
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In lugnet.build, Ed Diment wrote:
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I have been doing a lot of work with Minifig scaling including an automatic
spreadsheet to convert ‘real-world’ to minfig scale in studs, meters and feet.
My conclusion is that the closest practical scale is 1:45, making Yamato 6.06m
or 19.8 ft.
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Huh, I don’t think I’ve heard of minifig scale being more than 1:44 (making
“standard” minifigs just over 6 feet tall). Except maybe for specific projects?
1:45 would make them about 6’2.4” (1.89m) tall, 2’3.5” (72cm) wide, and 1’2.2”
(36cm) front-to-back. Of course, *lower* seems to be popular, like 1 stud = 1
minifig foot (about 1:38), and if you gauge by minifig width or depth, you’ll
get even lower still (although I can’t think of anything offhand that’s used
less than 1:38 for MF scale, but I’ll bet there are some out there). I’m
curious, though-- how did you come up with 1:45?
(I think the most popular measures I’ve seen are 1 stud = 1 minifig foot (1:38)
and 3 studs = 1 minifig meter (1:42))
DaveE
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In lugnet.build, Steve Lane wrote:
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Jumpei Mitsui wrote:
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This is my biggest challenge and still under construction.
1/40 Battleship YAMATO
It’s minifig scale, and it will come to 6.5m (21ft).
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Is 1:40 minifig scale?
I’d like to ellicit a wide number of opnions because I’m just about to start
building a (much smaller) minifig scale model.
I assumed a minifig to be 6ft tall, giving me a ratio of 1 to 46 (rounded).
The japanese are a lot smaller, so to them perhaps minifig scale is 40:1.
Has their ever been an agreed standard for Minifig scale? or is their just an
acceptable range?
LMKWYT
Steve
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I personally advocate 1 stud to the foot, which is about 1:38. If the stud size
is exactly 8mm then it’s 1:38.1. If a stud size is 5/16” then it’s 1:38.4.
There’s little difference between the two, unless you build something 14630
plates high (47m), in which case there’ll be 1 plate difference!
I use a scale just between the two, primarily because the gauge of 9V railway
track is 37.66mm and I build models of trains of real gauge 4’8.5” (1435.1mm),
giving a scale of 1:38.1067. (The trains are not 8-wide for British prototypes,
but a little larger, and US boxcars would be a little over 10-wide).
In these scales, a 6ft person would be 48mm tall, so a 42mm minifig would be
5’3”, or a bit taller with neck attachments. As long as your adults average
between 5ft and 6ft no-one will worry.
That’s 3 opinions!
Mark
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In lugnet.build, Steve Lane wrote:
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Jumpei Mitsui wrote:
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This is my biggest challenge and still under construction.
1/40 Battleship YAMATO
It’s minifig scale, and it will come to 6.5m (21ft).
|
Is 1:40 minifig scale?
I’d like to ellicit a wide number of opnions because I’m just about to start
building a (much smaller) minifig scale model.
I assumed a minifig to be 6ft tall, giving me a ratio of 1 to 46 (rounded).
The japanese are a lot smaller, so to them perhaps minifig scale is 40:1.
Has their ever been an agreed standard for Minifig scale? or is their just an
acceptable range?
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I always accord minifigs 1:35 scale, possibly 1:32, because those are the
closest “standard military” scales. But also, I go by the average of the
minifigs’ dimensions, which sort of implies they are 5’ tall and very, very
broad. So I am staying close to 1:35 for my new ship, as I do for most of my
.military construction.
I’m not however certain that any dimensions were significantly reduced on ships
the Japanese produced before WWII to account for the size of the crews, in the
way it was done for tanks and later aircraft.
best
LFB
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Jumpei Mitsui wrote:
Jumpei,
That is beautiful. Truly a thing of utter beauty.
I am currently planning out a true-minifig-scale model of
the battleship Fuso ca. 1944, though I am going closer to
1:35 scale given that minifigs are not truly to human propor-
tions. My building style is very different, but I can only
hope the outcome will be anywhere near as beautiful as this
is looking now! I intend to build it in a manner similar
to my now-aged Takao, but with the sides fully tiled (oof,
that’s a lot of dark grey tiles) and a superstructure that
does in fact hew to the actual appearance of the historical ship
which my desire to have interior detail prevented in my 1:60 model. I see
however that you are also building Yamato with plate-sculpting, and it looks
wonderful; you avoided using slopes for the difficult bow curvature and it
actually looks a great deal better than my attempt did.
Those HG (and MCG) turrets are beautiful. Your barrel designs
are similar in principle to what I wanted for Fuso’s 41-shiki,
though I had not decided if I was going to follow a sculpture
or a plate-hinge-turntable approach for handling those corners.
I may lean more towards sculpting them, though, having now seen
your beauties.
The launches and the spotter plane are marvelous!
May I borrow your design for the 96-shiki? I had not
devised one but your lovely design has thoroughly infected
me. If it is all right, may I also borrow from some of your
solutions to the myriad rails and ladders used on the turret
housings?
Do the guns on the 89-shiki actually elevate with the 1x2
plate series in situ?
My only concern is the time it has taken you to build so far; it is not
making me optimistic about having mine done in time for Brickfest this summer!
I do not yet have any major assemblies completed, but then, when I do start I
will have six to eight hours a day, four days a week, to work on it. Roughly
how many hours do you think you have spent so far on building Yamato? And do
you intend to have significant interior detail in, say, the HG turrets, the
hull, or the closed areas of the conning tower?
From what source material are you working? Is it one of the Conway’s History
books (which is what I do), or did you acquire copies of the original plans
which I believe still exist?
There is so much to comment on with this, I don’t know where to start. Yes, I’m
excited. Maybe I should re-plan at 1:40, then we can put them in formation! :)
all best
LFB
PS: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~lfbraun/takao.html is were mine hides. Email
me at braun at history dot rutgers dot edu, not this email, if you care to
correspond. I would very much enjoy hearing more about this project, as it is
one very close to my heart...
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...Wow!!!!!
...stunned silence...
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