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A new wide-spanning newsgroup for LEGO enthusiasts in Europe (European Union
and European countries) has just been created. This will help minimize
massive crossposting in the case of wide topic discussions such as a
European LEGO Fest.
CHARTER/PURPOSE
===============
-> lugnet.loc.eu (group):
European Union & European countries
lugnet.loc.* (hierarchy):
General-purpose discussion groups for LEGO® enthusiasts, for
hundreds of specific localities around the world: events, social
gatherings, swap-meets, fests, tours, shopping excursions, local
TO SUBSCRIBE
============
To participate via NNTP (netnews), point your newsreader here:
news://lugnet.com/lugnet.loc.eu
or news://lugnet.com:1119/lugnet.loc.eu
or news://lugnet.com:8000/lugnet.loc.eu
or news://lugnet.com:8080/lugnet.loc.eu
To participate via HTTP (web interface), point your web browser here:
http://www.lugnet.com/loc/eu/
To subscribe via SMTP (e-mail), point your web browser here:
http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/
To register for posting to any LUGNET group (if you haven't yet done so),
point your web browser here:
http://www.lugnet.com/news/post/setup/
--Todd
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In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman writes:
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> A new wide-spanning newsgroup for LEGO enthusiasts in Europe (European Union
> and European countries) has just been created. This will help minimize
> massive crossposting in the case of wide topic discussions such as a
> European LEGO Fest.
How about a lugnet.robotics.sensors
Just a thought...
Rob
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In lugnet.loc.eu, Rob Hendrix writes:
> In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman writes:
> > A new wide-spanning newsgroup for LEGO enthusiasts in Europe (European
> > Union and European countries) has just been created. This will help
> > minimize massive crossposting in the case of wide topic discussions
> > such as a European LEGO Fest.
>
> How about a lugnet.robotics.sensors
> Just a thought...
(Not disagreeing; just playing devil's advocate and collecting data...)
Is the topic of sensors (homebrew or otherwise) something that would benefit
from a more focused group? Are there discussion threads about sensors which
peter-out or get lost in the main group or go off-line to private email
because people feel they're getting too off-topic or esoteric? Do the sensor
über-gurus like MichaelG wish that they had a separate group/list for this?
It looks like sensors sure get mentioned a lot, in any case...
http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/?q=sensor+sensors
--Todd
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I would personally vote against removing sensor communications from
the mainstream. If you do remove it, I think you'll deprive a lot of people
from coming up with the imaginative solutions to some of the more
challenging
sensor problems.
I personally only react to what appears in my email. Browsing the lists of
saved messages doesn't work for me!
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com>
To: <lego-robotics@crynwr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 6:40 PM
Subject: sensors (was: Re: New newsgroup lugnet.loc.eu)
> In lugnet.loc.eu, Rob Hendrix writes:
> > In lugnet.announce, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > A new wide-spanning newsgroup for LEGO enthusiasts in Europe (European
> > > Union and European countries) has just been created. This will help
> > > minimize massive crossposting in the case of wide topic discussions
> > > such as a European LEGO Fest.
> >
> > How about a lugnet.robotics.sensors
> > Just a thought...
>
> (Not disagreeing; just playing devil's advocate and collecting data...)
>
> Is the topic of sensors (homebrew or otherwise) something that would • benefit
> from a more focused group? Are there discussion threads about sensors • which
> peter-out or get lost in the main group or go off-line to private email
> because people feel they're getting too off-topic or esoteric? Do the • sensor
> über-gurus like MichaelG wish that they had a separate group/list for • this?
>
> It looks like sensors sure get mentioned a lot, in any case...
>
> http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/?q=sensor+sensors
>
> --Todd
>
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In lugnet.robotics, "Pink Tail" <pinkmice@borg.com> writes:
> I would personally vote against removing sensor communications from
> the mainstream. If you do remove it, I think you'll deprive a lot of people
> from coming up with the imaginative solutions to some of the more
> challenging
> sensor problems.
>
> I personally only react to what appears in my email. Browsing the lists of
> saved messages doesn't work for me!
>
> JB
I definitely see your point, but I was more focused on "homebrew" and not "I
can't quite get this thing to act like I want it to" sensors.
Rob
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In lugnet.robotics, Todd Lehman writes:
> It looks like sensors sure get mentioned a lot, in any case...
>
> http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/?q=sensor+sensors
>
> --Todd
That was my case in point...My whole argument revolves around the fact that
there are a great many posts dealing with sensors. To support my theory,
lugnet.robotics has more posts than any other newsgroup. I thought it made
sense. I mean, "rcx" has its own group...(joke)
Rob
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Since this issue along with the "shouldn't the posting of the Space Shuttle
sale at Zainy Brainy be done in another newsgroup" are of interest to me, FWIW,
I'll add my $.02.
I only see what comes through the robotics email list. If the email topic
doesn't interest me, I simply delete it. On the other hand, if the email goes
to another group, I usually never see it. The email list is simply much more
convienent for me.
Hence, I would much rather not see things like "sensors" and "such and such
Lego set is on sale at ....." disappear from the robotics group. Otherwise,
I'll have to search through a whole bunchof different newsgroups to find the
same information ..... IMHO, this is much more time consuming than simply
filtering my incoming email.
BTW, I also was one of those very grateful people who took advantage of the
Space Shuttle posting.
Richard
rhendrix wrote:
> In lugnet.robotics, Todd Lehman writes:
> > It looks like sensors sure get mentioned a lot, in any case...
> >
> > http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/?q=sensor+sensors
> >
> > --Todd
>
> That was my case in point...My whole argument revolves around the fact that
> there are a great many posts dealing with sensors. To support my theory,
> lugnet.robotics has more posts than any other newsgroup. I thought it made
> sense. I mean, "rcx" has its own group...(joke)
>
> Rob
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Richard Memory Phone: (801)785-8900
Software Engineer Fax: (801)785-8996
Wind River Systems
405 South 100 East, 2nd Floor
Pleasant Grove, Utah 84062
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In lugnet.robotics, rmemory <rmemory@zinc.com> writes:
>
> I only see what comes through the robotics email list. If the email topic
> doesn't interest me, I simply delete it. On the other hand, if the email goes
> to another group, I usually never see it. The email list is simply much more
> convienent for me.
>
> Hence, I would much rather not see things like "sensors" and "such and such
> Lego set is on sale at ....." disappear from the robotics group. Otherwise,
> I'll have to search through a whole bunchof different newsgroups to find the
> same information ..... IMHO, this is much more time consuming than simply
> filtering my incoming email.
>
> BTW, I also was one of those very grateful people who took advantage of the
> Space Shuttle posting.
>
> Richard
So what you are saying is sub groups in lugnet.robotics don't get emailed
along with the main robotics group?
Rob
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In lugnet.robotics, Rob Hendrix writes:
> So what you are saying is sub groups in lugnet.robotics don't get emailed
> along with the main robotics group?
It depends how you're subscribed. If you're not subscribed to any of the
robotics sub-groups via email, then no, they won't get emailed to you. But
if you are, then yes, they will get emailed to you.
You can subscribe to each group individually and configure the digest (or
no-digest) settings for each group, and you can even have one group go to
one email address and another group go to a different email address.
Then, when the messages get to your inbox, you can (optionally) filter or
prioritize based on the 'To:' headers in the messages, or you can leave
them all together and read sequentially, etc.
Here is the configuration entry page:
http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/
But start here first if it's your first time:
http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/setup/
--Todd
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In lugnet.robotics, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.robotics, Rob Hendrix writes:
> > So what you are saying is sub groups in lugnet.robotics don't get emailed
> > along with the main robotics group?
>
> It depends how you're subscribed. If you're not subscribed to any of the
> robotics sub-groups via email, then no, they won't get emailed to you. But
> if you are, then yes, they will get emailed to you.
>
> You can subscribe to each group individually and configure the digest (or
> no-digest) settings for each group, and you can even have one group go to
> one email address and another group go to a different email address.
>
> Then, when the messages get to your inbox, you can (optionally) filter or
> prioritize based on the 'To:' headers in the messages, or you can leave
> them all together and read sequentially, etc.
>
> Here is the configuration entry page:
>
> http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/
>
> But start here first if it's your first time:
>
> http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/setup/
>
> --Todd
So, in fact, lugnet.robotics.sensors would indeed help "weed out" unwanted
messages by some people...If they wanted to read messages about sensors, then
they could just subscribe.
It's that easy-
Rob
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This is a "Same with me !!!" kind of msg :>
At 17:09 15-12-1999 -0700, rmemory wrote:
> I only see what comes through the robotics email list. If the email topic
> doesn't interest me, I simply delete it. On the other hand, if the email goes
> to another group, I usually never see it. The email list is simply much more
> convienent for me.
Same with me !
> Hence, I would much rather not see things like "sensors" and "such and such
> Lego set is on sale at ....." disappear from the robotics group. Otherwise,
> I'll have to search through a whole bunchof different newsgroups to find the
> same information ..... IMHO, this is much more time consuming than simply
> filtering my incoming email.
Same with me !
rmemory wrote exactly what I was going to say...
____________________
Marco C. aka McViper
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I guess I vote to keep it together, at this level of
daily posts..
If we get like sci.electronics.design then we can worry
about it.
If we DID make a separate list, I would suggest it be
HOMEBREW to cover all user-designed and built Sensors
AND Actuators and Other Stuff.
The only advantage (tongue-in-cheek) is that the Lego
Purists won't have to shudder every time one of us
Barbarians rips into a brick with our Dastardly Dremel.
--
Regards,
Terry King ...In The Woods In Vermont
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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message
news:FMt33p.15s@lugnet.com...
> Is the topic of sensors (homebrew or otherwise) something that would • benefit
> from a more focused group? Are there discussion threads about sensors • which
> peter-out or get lost in the main group or go off-line to private email
> because people feel they're getting too off-topic or esoteric? Do the • sensor
> über-gurus like MichaelG wish that they had a separate group/list for
this?
I'm not sure what a uber-guru is. Heck I don't even know how you got the
dot things above the u.
I'd rather the sensor threads stay right where they are. You don't want to
spread topics out too thin.
Mike G.
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In lugnet.robotics, Michael Gasperi writes:
> Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message
> news:FMt33p.15s@lugnet.com...
> > Is the topic of sensors (homebrew or otherwise) something that would • benefit
> > from a more focused group? Are there discussion threads about sensors • which
> > peter-out or get lost in the main group or go off-line to private email
> > because people feel they're getting too off-topic or esoteric? Do the • sensor
> > über-gurus like MichaelG wish that they had a separate group/list for
> this?
>
> I'm not sure what a uber-guru is. Heck I don't even know how you got the
> dot things above the u.
> I'd rather the sensor threads stay right where they are. You don't want to
> spread topics out too thin.
>
> Mike G.
Well, assume that lugnet.robotics is a file folder. All subfolders are
still "in" that folder. i.e. all posts to, say, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc
still get posted to lugnet.robotics. So if you actually GO to lugnet.com and
read the .robotic posts, you would see all posts for the "subfolders".
Rob
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On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:15:03 GMT, "r hendrix" <rmhendrix@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Well, assume that lugnet.robotics is a file folder. All subfolders are
> still "in" that folder. i.e. all posts to, say, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc
> still get posted to lugnet.robotics. So if you actually GO to lugnet.com and
> read the .robotic posts, you would see all posts for the "subfolders".
But that's _not_ how it works.
Jasper
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In lugnet.robotics, Jasper Janssen writes:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:15:03 GMT, "r hendrix" <rmhendrix@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well, assume that lugnet.robotics is a file folder. All subfolders are
> > still "in" that folder. i.e. all posts to, say, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc
> > still get posted to lugnet.robotics. So if you actually GO to lugnet.com and
> > read the .robotic posts, you would see all posts for the "subfolders".
>
> But that's _not_ how it works.
>
> Jasper
Then why did I find this message on the main lugnet.robotic page?
http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/rcx/legos/?n=584
I saw it @ 8:53 a.m.
Rob
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In lugnet.robotics, Rob Hendrix writes:
> In lugnet.robotics, Jasper Janssen writes:
> > "r hendrix" <rmhendrix@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, assume that lugnet.robotics is a file folder. All subfolders are
> > > still "in" that folder. i.e. all posts to, say, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc
> > > still get posted to lugnet.robotics. So if you actually GO to lugnet.com
> > > and read the .robotic posts, you would see all posts for the "subfolders".
> >
> > But that's _not_ how it works.
Well, that depends on your newsreader, actually. Rob is indeed correct
about what he thought he saw. :) Most newsreaders don't have a feature to
coalesce groups in a hierarchy into a single virtual group, but the LUGNET
web interface is magic and can display groups both normally and coalesced.
In fact, when you look at the root homepage www.lugnet.com, you're seeing
the last (most recent) few articles of the entire contents of 692 lugnet
newsgroups all coalesced into one big virtual group.
> Then why did I find this message on the main lugnet.robotic page?
> http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/rcx/legos/?n=584
> I saw it @ 8:53 a.m.
Right. Yup, you did see it there. If you look at
http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/
you'll see the 4 most recent message in lugnet.robotics and its subgroups
(as if it were one virtual group containing 17838 messages), with links to
get more articles, of course. If you look at
http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/?n=*,-20
you'll see the 20 most recent messages in lugnet.robotics and its subgroups
But now if you look at
http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/?n=,-20
then you'll see the 20 most recent messages in lugnet.robotics only (not
counting any of its subgroups).
The syntax of the n= parameter (n='news') goes like this:
?n=[*][xxx][,[-]yyy]
where xxx is the initial message number/index, and yyy is a delta (i.e., a
count of articles to display). If yyy is preceded by a minus sign, then
the delta is negative and the article display counts backward in time. If
yyy is not preceded by a minus sign, then the delta is positive and the
article display counts forward in time. If xxx is preceded by an asterisk,
then this means that xxx refers to an article index in the virtual coaelsced
group rather than the specific group. Other examples:
Display the first 20 articles in lugnet.robotics:
http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/?n=1,20
Display the first 20 articles in lugnet.robotics and its subgroups:
http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/?n=*1,20
Display the first 100 articles in lugnet.robotics in "compact" line form:
http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/?n=1,100&v=c
Display the first 100 articles in lugnet.robotics and its subgroups in
"compact" line form:
http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/?n=*1,100&v=c
Display the last (most recent) 100 articles in lugnet.robotics in "compact"
line form:
http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/?n=,-100&v=c
Display the last (most recent) 100 articles in lugnet.robotics and its
subgroups in "compact" line form:
http://www.lugnet.com/robotics/?n=*,-100&v=c
--Todd
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Richard Memory <rmemory@zinc.com> wrote:
> Hi Todd,
>
> Thanks for the explanation. Sorry to take more of your time .....
>
> I guess my only issue with sub-groups is simply that I prefer receving my
> messages through the lego-robotics@crynwr.com list rather than a newsreader. I
> kinda compare this to the fact that although I can go out to the web every day
> to read my local newspaper, I would much rather have the paper delivered to my
> me. If I miss a few days of reading the list, all I have to do is filter
> through my email. Sort of a fine line there, but I'm not going to belabor the
> point. I simply prefer the email list to a newsreader.
>
> At any rate, it seems that the lego-robotics@crynwr email list only sends the
> messages posted to lego.robotics. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't
> appear that I can receive any of the messages posted to the subgroups through
> this email list.
That's correct. The lego-robotics@crynwr.com list is gatewayed with
lugnet.robotics only and does not receive messages posted to any of its
subgroups.
> If this is true, then I personally would rather not see any subgroups at all.
> I would like to read or have the decision to not read everything that is
> posted in those groups. As it is now, I belive I most likely miss some
> interesting threads that are posted to the subgroups. As it is now, during the
> year I've been on the list, I've never seen anything posted to lugnet.robotics
> that I consider "off-topic". IMHO, I really don't want to see if fragmented
> further.
>
> I guess a possible solution might be to create an email list for every
> subgroup. But, I'm not sure this is feasible. My guess is that its not.
Well, in that case, I've got Killer News for ya! :) Not only is it feasible,
but it's already done! All lugnet groups have been subscribeable by email
(as mailing lists) since late October of 1998 and as digests (optionally)
since February of 1999. It's only a few clicks to get set up.
> Is there any good solution for those like me on the email list who want to
> remain on the email list?
Yup! Simply subscribe to the whole lot (or any subset you choose) via email.
To set it up, point your web browser here:
http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/setup/
and after you get your confirmation code via email (which confirms that you
can receive mail at the address you gave), continue on to here:
http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/
and pick the groups you want, using the listboxes and radio buttons to set
your digest or no-digest options. Here's the announcement that went out in
February announcing and describing the digest feature:
http://www.lugnet.com/news/raw.cgi?lugnet.robotics:3927
Below, for example, is how my email inbox looked this morning (I'm subscribed
to most groups directly via NNTP, but I also like get to a few of the more
active European loc groups like Denmark, Italy, and the UK via email digests
because they're easier to scan quickly that way.)
Subject Date Size
=============================================================== ======= ====
lugnet.admin.statistics (1999.12.17.1000) #736-737 (2 articles) 5:00 AM 59KB
lugnet.cad.dat.models (1999.12.17.1000) #885-886 (2 articles) 5:01 AM 16KB
lugnet.loc.dk (1999.12.17.1000) #102-108 (7 articles) 5:02 AM 16KB
lugnet.loc.it (1999.12.17.1000) #479-507 (29 articles) 5:02 AM 34KB
lugnet.loc.uk (1999.12.17.1000) #2389-2403 (15 articles) 5:03 AM 24KB
etc.
Finally, here's a list of all the lugnet.robotics.* groups, adapted from the
<http://www.lugnet.com/sitemap.cgi?/robotics/> sitemap...
lugnet.robotics - Building, creating, and developing with added
technologies: the LEGO MINDSTORMS™ RIS, other programmable bricks,
vision systems, bar-code readers, radio controlled units, research sites,
microcode / embedded programming, etc.
lugnet.robotics.codepilot - LEGO TECHNIC Code Pilot™ programmable
brick and protocol: software, Code Cards, bar codes, interaction with
LEGO MINDSTORMS programmable bricks, other technical issues;
troubleshooting, questions, tips & tricks; etc.
lugnet.robotics.cybermaster - LEGO TECHNIC CyberMaster™ programmable
brick: software, ideas, radio link, connections to/from/with other
programmable bricks and host machines, in-depth technical details,
etc.
lugnet.robotics.edu - Learning and teaching with robotics: LEGO®
robotics in the classroom; investigatory projects and project learning;
project questions, suggestions, success stories, developments, etc.;
reuse of old technologies and enabling learning about new technologies
and putting them in viable perspective; collaboration, synergy,
encouragement, and comradeship of many people sharing unique interests,
relevant information, and skills; fusion of educators, engineers,
hackers, hobbyists, kids, etc.
lugnet.robotics.events - Organized events, competitions, tournaments,
shows, etc.: announcements, ideas, collaboration, planning,
experiences, analysis, discussions, etc.
lugnet.robotics.events.robot-arena - Focused discussion group for
Robot Arena, an autonomous combat tournament using the LEGO®
MINDSTORMS™ RIS
lugnet.robotics.handyboard - Focused discussion group for the Handy
Board device: distribution of information of any sort about obtaining,
debugging, or using the Handy Board design; troubleshooting problems;
exchanging ideas and techniques; sharing code; etc.
lugnet.robotics.logo - Discussion group for projects and educational
activities involving LEGO® and the Logo programming language
lugnet.robotics.microscout - Alternative firmware or software for
Micro Scout™ programmable brick from LEGO® MINDSTORMS™ RIS: in-depth
technical discussions, collaboration, planning, architecture, analysis,
etc.
lugnet.robotics.palm - Palm Computing® devices as they relate to LEGO
robotics: remote control, remote programming, tools, diagnosis,
in-depth IR/IrDA issues, etc.
lugnet.robotics.rcx - Alternative firmware or software for RCX™
programmable brick from LEGO® MINDSTORMS™ RIS: in-depth technical
discussions, collaboration, planning, architecture, analysis, etc.
lugnet.robotics.rcx.java - Focused discussion group for
JVM/Java™/Jini™ firmware or software for the LEGO® MINDSTORMS™
RIS: in-depth technical discussions, collaboration, planning,
architecture, analysis, release schedules, problem reports,
success stories, etc.
lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos - Focused discussion group for legOS,
an unofficial replacement firmware package for the LEGO®
MINDSTORMS™ RIS: in-depth technical discussions, collaboration,
planning, architecture, analysis, release schedules, problem
reports, success stories, etc.
lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc - Focused discussion group for NQC ("Not
Quite C"), an unofficial language and compiler for programming
the LEGO® MINDSTORMS™ RIS: in-depth technical discussions,
collaboration, planning, architecture, analysis, release
schedules, problem reports, success stories, etc.
lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth - Focused discussion group for
pbFORTH, an unofficial replacement firmware package for the LEGO®
MINDSTORMS™ RIS: in-depth technical discussions, collaboration,
planning, architecture, analysis, release schedules, problem
reports, success stories, etc.
lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab - Focused discussion group for ROBOLAB,
a graphical environment for programming the LEGO® MINDSTORMS™ RIS:
questions, comments, tips & tricks, success stories, projects for
the classroom, release notices, etc.
lugnet.robotics.scout - Alternative firmware or software for Scout™
programmable brick from LEGO® MINDSTORMS™ RIS: in-depth technical
discussions, collaboration, planning, architecture, analysis, etc.
lugnet.robotics.tele - Telerobotics: remote operation, mobility,
exploration, video, etc.; process control and automation; Web-
controlled robots and other Internet, LAN, network, or groupware
environments, applications, etc.
lugnet.robotics.vll - Focused discussion group for LEGO® MINDSTORMS™
Visible Light Link™ (VLL™) protocol and API: in-depth technical
discussions, troubleshooting, code development, legal/patent
issues, fiber-optics, light sensors, etc.
--Todd
p.s. The command to unsubscribe from the lego-robotics@crynwr.com list
(once you're successfully subscribed to lugnet.robotics) is to send a
message to: lego-robotics-unsubscribe@crynwr.com .
>
> Thanks,
>
> Richard
[This was technically a followup to my own post, but I'm actually replying to a
different message someone sent via e-mail in response to the one I posted.
Richard gave me permission to republish his email message here and respond to
it publicly...]
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Todd,
Now that everyone has been properly schooled of the ins and outs of receiving
some or all robotics posts (thank you for teaching everyone), can I have my
robotics.sensors? *down on floor begging*
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In lugnet.robotics, Rob Hendrix writes:
> Todd,
> Now that everyone has been properly schooled of the ins and outs of
> receiving some or all robotics posts (thank you for teaching everyone),
> can I have my robotics.sensors? *down on floor begging*
I would think the support of Michael Gasperi and Brian Stormont would be
important here, since this would be moving a certain amount of traffic down
to a lower level rather than creating new traffic from scratch (where there
is no loss but only potential gain).
Perhaps you could write up a proposal, including a charter, and put it out
for comments/review.
--Todd
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I still can't quite understand why it is so important to get sensors
out of the standard listing. Aren't robots 33% sensors and 33%
actuators and 33% software (rounded to the nearest 33%)?
Confused ...
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com>
To: <lego-robotics@crynwr.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Robotics subgroups by mail (was: sensors)
> In lugnet.robotics, Rob Hendrix writes:
> > Todd,
> > Now that everyone has been properly schooled of the ins and outs of
> > receiving some or all robotics posts (thank you for teaching everyone),
> > can I have my robotics.sensors? *down on floor begging*
>
> I would think the support of Michael Gasperi and Brian Stormont would be
> important here, since this would be moving a certain amount of traffic • down
> to a lower level rather than creating new traffic from scratch (where • there
> is no loss but only potential gain).
>
> Perhaps you could write up a proposal, including a charter, and put it out
> for comments/review.
>
> --Todd
>
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In lugnet.robotics, "Pink Tail" <pinkmice@borg.com> writes:
> > In lugnet.robotics, Rob Hendrix writes:
> > > Todd,
> > > Now that everyone has been properly schooled of the ins and outs of
> > > receiving some or all robotics posts (thank you for teaching everyone),
> > > can I have my robotics.sensors? *down on floor begging*
> >
> > I would think the support of Michael Gasperi and Brian Stormont would be
> > important here, since this would be moving a certain amount of traffic
> > down to a lower level rather than creating new traffic from scratch
> > (where there is no loss but only potential gain).
> >
> > Perhaps you could write up a proposal, including a charter, and put it out
> > for comments/review.
>
> I still can't quite understand why it is so important to get sensors
> out of the standard listing. Aren't robots 33% sensors and 33%
> actuators and 33% software (rounded to the nearest 33%)?
>
> Confused ...
I don't either, unless the subject of sensors is currently suffering from
not having its own group/list, which I don't think it is.
I just responded to Rob trying to be objective. He doesn't have my support
in creating a new group for sensors unless at the very least Michael G and
Brian S are both for it, and probably a lot of others. But that doesn't
mean he (Rob) or anyone else couldn't go ahead and propose it more formally
for discussion, from my point of view...
--Todd
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I also fail to see why a seperate group is needed. If a seperate group is made,
then all the people from this list that do not suscribe to the subgroup cannot
participate in dicussions, unless they go to the website, or use a news reader.
This could prevent people from inspiring other people(Which IMHO is very
important), and it could also leave out a vast number of solutions for peple who
do not see the messages.
Even more confused than Pink Tail...
Andy
Todd Lehman wrote:
> In lugnet.robotics, "Pink Tail" <pinkmice@borg.com> writes:
> > > In lugnet.robotics, Rob Hendrix writes:
> > > > Todd,
> > > > Now that everyone has been properly schooled of the ins and outs of
> > > > receiving some or all robotics posts (thank you for teaching everyone),
> > > > can I have my robotics.sensors? *down on floor begging*
> > >
> > > I would think the support of Michael Gasperi and Brian Stormont would be
> > > important here, since this would be moving a certain amount of traffic
> > > down to a lower level rather than creating new traffic from scratch
> > > (where there is no loss but only potential gain).
> > >
> > > Perhaps you could write up a proposal, including a charter, and put it out
> > > for comments/review.
> >
> > I still can't quite understand why it is so important to get sensors
> > out of the standard listing. Aren't robots 33% sensors and 33%
> > actuators and 33% software (rounded to the nearest 33%)?
> >
> > Confused ...
>
> I don't either, unless the subject of sensors is currently suffering from
> not having its own group/list, which I don't think it is.
>
> I just responded to Rob trying to be objective. He doesn't have my support
> in creating a new group for sensors unless at the very least Michael G and
> Brian S are both for it, and probably a lot of others. But that doesn't
> mean he (Rob) or anyone else couldn't go ahead and propose it more formally
> for discussion, from my point of view...
>
> --Todd
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In lugnet.robotics, gombos@ne.infi.net writes:
> I also fail to see why a seperate group is needed. If a seperate group is
> made, then all the people from this list that do not suscribe to the
> subgroup cannot participate in dicussions, unless they go to the website,
> or use a news reader.
Nope, that statement as a whole is not correct. It's partially correct in
that people who subscribe only to the lego-robotics@crynwr.com mailing list
would indeed not automatically see a new sensors subgroup of lugnet.robotics,
but it's not correct about the website/newsreader requirement.
I guess this bears repeating again: All lugnet groups are subscribeable four
different ways:
1. NNTP - news, via port 119, 1119, 8000, or 8000
2. HTTP - web
3. SMTP - email mailing list
4. SMTP - email digest
Thus, it's a simple matter of subscribing to any new subgroup via email.
(Which is not to say that I think the group needs to be created, but only to
refute the assertion made above.)
--Todd
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[I'm replying to an email that Stuart Crenshaw wrote. He said it was OK to
quote him here and reply for everyone's benefit. I quoted his reply inline
below to fit into the thread.]
In a first email message, Stuart Crawshaw wrote:
> In lugnet.robotics, Todd Lehman wrote:
> > In lugnet.robotics, gombos@ne.infi.net writes:
> > > I also fail to see why a seperate group is needed. If a seperate group is
> > > made, then all the people from this list that do not suscribe to the
> > > subgroup cannot participate in dicussions, unless they go to the website,
> > > or use a news reader.
> >
> > Nope, that statement as a whole is not correct. It's partially correct in
> > that people who subscribe only to the lego-robotics@crynwr.com mailing list
> > would indeed not automatically see a new sensors subgroup of lugnet.robotics,
> > but it's not correct about the website/newsreader requirement.
> >
> > I guess this bears repeating again: All lugnet groups are subscribeable four
> > different ways:
> >
> > 1. NNTP - news, via port 119, 1119, 8000, or 8000
> > 2. HTTP - web
> > 3. SMTP - email mailing list
> > 4. SMTP - email digest
> >
> > Thus, it's a simple matter of subscribing to any new subgroup via email.
>
> But you can only *post* to lugnet newsgroups by NNTP or HTTP, right?
No, you actually can post to lugnet newsgroups via e-mail (not just via NNTP
or HTTP).
> So it
> maybe depends what you mean by 'participate'... if you only have email
> then you can read all you want, but not reply to anything (lurker's
> paradise ;-) )
The lugnet news-by-mail subsystem is actually a fully bidirectional gateway
that even supports crossposting and followups correctly via SMTP<->NNTP
header mappings.
NNTP (news) SMTP (email)
------------- -------------
Newsgroups: <=> To:
Followup-To: <=> Reply-To:
> If I'm wrong about that, please do let me know, as I'd love to be able to
> participate more fully in other areas than .robotics!
(One aspect that was correct, though, is that digests can't be responded to
via email. This is because each digest message is a composite message with
its own unique one-time message-id. If a digest is responded to via email,
it messes up the threading because a reply doesn't have a parent article
node. But each message within a digest does contain a quick link to jump
right to the article on the website, where you can easily reply.)
In a second email message, Stuart wrote:
> Certainly - I'm quite surprised though: I did once try replying to a
> lugnet.* message and had an error message telling me to visit the website
> or newsserver... oh well, maybe should have asked you before ;-0
Most likely, the message was just asking you to visit the news-posting setup
page:
http://www.lugnet.com/news/post/setup/
because it didn't yet recognize your 'From:' header as a known and valid
poster. (You only need to fill this form out once for each email address
you intend to post from, and thereafter you can post to all lugnet groups.)
--Todd
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At 01:55 17-12-1999 GMT, Jasper Janssen wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:15:03 GMT, "r hendrix" <rmhendrix@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Well, assume that lugnet.robotics is a file folder. All subfolders are
> > still "in" that folder. i.e. all posts to, say, lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc
> > still get posted to lugnet.robotics. So if you actually GO to lugnet.com • and
> > read the .robotic posts, you would see all posts for the "subfolders".
>
> But that's _not_ how it works.
And so I thought. hendrix took me by surprise there...
That's why I'm going to subscribe to most of lugnet.robotics.* and putting
all the incoming msgs into a lugnet-robotics mailboxfolder sorted by subject.
I'll do the reply to the whatever respective lugnet.robotics sub "folder"
and then everybody's "happy"... I think/hope.
____________________
Marco C. aka McViper
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In lugnet.loc.eu, Todd Lehman writes:
>
> A new wide-spanning newsgroup for LEGO enthusiasts in Europe (European Union
> and European countries) has just been created. This will help minimize
> massive crossposting in the case of wide topic discussions such as a
> European LEGO Fest.
Thanks Todd!
Mario
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Many thanks Todd. I think we need this. I e-mailed ebay and asked
(demanded?) a Europe only search option just last week.
I'm not sure if all the English readership are europhiles?
(a very European) Scott A
Todd Lehman wrote in message <38582288.1598270@lugnet.com>...
>
> A new wide-spanning newsgroup for LEGO enthusiasts in Europe (European • Union
> and European countries) has just been created. This will help minimize
> massive crossposting in the case of wide topic discussions such as a
> European LEGO Fest.
>
>
> CHARTER/PURPOSE
> ===============
>
> -> lugnet.loc.eu (group):
> European Union & European countries
>
> lugnet.loc.* (hierarchy):
> General-purpose discussion groups for LEGO® enthusiasts, for
> hundreds of specific localities around the world: events, social
> gatherings, swap-meets, fests, tours, shopping excursions, local
>
>
> TO SUBSCRIBE
> ============
>
> To participate via NNTP (netnews), point your newsreader here:
>
> news://lugnet.com/lugnet.loc.eu
> or news://lugnet.com:1119/lugnet.loc.eu
> or news://lugnet.com:8000/lugnet.loc.eu
> or news://lugnet.com:8080/lugnet.loc.eu
>
>
> To participate via HTTP (web interface), point your web browser here:
>
> http://www.lugnet.com/loc/eu/
>
>
> To subscribe via SMTP (e-mail), point your web browser here:
>
> http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/
>
>
> To register for posting to any LUGNET group (if you haven't yet done so),
> point your web browser here:
>
> http://www.lugnet.com/news/post/setup/
>
>
> --Todd
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A new newsgroup for LEGO enthusiasts in Ìsland (Iceland) has just been
created.
CHARTER/PURPOSE
===============
-> lugnet.loc.is (group):
Ìsland (Iceland)
lugnet.loc.* (hierarchy):
General-purpose discussion groups for LEGO® enthusiasts, for
hundreds of specific localities around the world: events, social
gatherings, swap-meets, fests, tours, shopping excursions, local
user group meetings, etc.
TO SUBSCRIBE
============
To participate via NNTP (netnews), point your newsreader here:
news://lugnet.com/lugnet.loc.is
or news://lugnet.com:1119/lugnet.loc.is
or news://lugnet.com:8000/lugnet.loc.is
or news://lugnet.com:8080/lugnet.loc.is
To participate via HTTP (web interface), point your web browser here:
http://www.lugnet.com/loc/is/
To subscribe via SMTP (e-mail), point your web browser here:
http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/
To register for posting to any LUGNET group (if you haven't yet done so),
point your web browser here:
http://www.lugnet.com/news/post/setup/
--Todd
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Thanks Todd,
A good idea, just for that purpose. Btw my money should be on his way over to
you.
Greetings Nico
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