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In lugnet.dear-lego, Chris Marx wrote:
> I would love to see TLG develop a marble run/ball track theme. Marble run toys
> are my favorites next to LEGO and it would be great if I could bring the two
> together.
I agree, this is an excellent suggestion, and in fact it is a mystery to me that
they are not doing it already. A few carefully designed specialised parts would
almost certainly increase the mass appeal of such sets. While making tracks
with existing parts is of course possible, it can be quite tricky and time
consuming. It would be very natural to have something that could be snapped
together with less fuss...
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In lugnet.dear-lego, Bart Wistuk wrote:
> To all:
> I made a Lego Marble Run - made entirely out of Legos (acutally my
> children and I did). You can view the results here:
Wow - that's amazing, congratulations! I (and I expect others) would be very
glad to see some close-up photos showing exactly how your construction works...
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In lugnet.ambassadors, Jean-Marc Nimal wrote:
> {I also posted this
> <http://www.meltingbricks.net/articles/2009/07/13/thoughts-on-lego-non-disclosure-agreement/lang-pref/en/
> as an article> on my own site but there isn't more to read over there, unless
> you want to browse 1+ year-old archives of silly stuff.}¬¬ Now that the next
> cycle of LEGO Ambassadors is beginning, and I'm not part of the program for
> this cycle, I'd like to share some thoughts I have about it. While there is
> of course a lot to be said about the Ambassadors program, I'll focus on the
> Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) in particular, as I feel it's a seldom
> discussed but important aspect of the program.
>
> SNIP!
>
> So, as newly appointed Ambassador, should you sign the NDA? That's
> a personal question. I'd advise so, unless maybe if you're afraid to have to
> pay more attention to what you say. I remember someone last year saying that
> it was what the community he represented would expect from him. I don't think
> he actually asked them, but that would probably the wisest choice: discuss it
> with your community, and ask them what they think of it.¬¬ You do represent
> them, after all.
While I may not be an Ambassador, I feel I can offer some guidance as to why the
NDA may scare people. I think it's mainly because most people don't deal with
them every day. It's a case of fear of the unknown and what the consequences
will be if they breach it. Being the litigious society we are, everyone is
scared they are going to be penalized to the fullest extent if they slip. The
reality is probably much less severe. As I deal with these on a regular basis
(1-2 per week), I've become used to the language and what the NDA is trying to
protect.
In a nutshell, you should think about the information and whether it would be
useful to the competition. If it involves any pre-release set information, it's
probably best kept confidential until the set is released. The main goal of the
NDA is to keep competitors of TLG from getting any kind of leg up on the
development cycle. Adhering to the NDA is general common sense. If the
information is available anywhere in the public domain, it's probably fair game.
Again, I haven't read the NDA specifically...but I imagine it looks very similar
to what we use at work. I imagine there is also a 'reverse engineering' clause
in there somewhere.
So should a person sign it? I don't see why not. As you mention, it's a
personal choice though. I just don't think there is as much to be afraid of as
many people think. :-)
-Dave
ToT-LUG
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I also posted this
as an article on my own site but there isn’t more to read over there, unless
you want to browse 1+ year-old archives of silly stuff.
Now that the next
cycle of LEGO Ambassadors is beginning, and I’m not part of the program for this
cycle, I’d like to share some thoughts I have about it. While there is of course
a lot to be said about the Ambassadors program, I’ll focus on the Non-Disclosure
Agreement (NDA) in particular, as I feel it’s a seldom discussed but important
aspect of the program.
Up to cycle 5, the NDA was mandatory - the very first
thing you needed to do before jumping in would be signing it, along with a
release form. The exact terms of the NDA are presumably not a secret, since
people receiving it aren’t under NDA; but they aren’t very interesting either -
in a nutshell, you’re not supposed to disclose secrets you might encounter while
doing your Ambassador work. Or, I assume, any other work you might do for LEGO
under another NDA.
So far, so good. LEGO protects his assets, which is
understandable. Actually, the fact that they’re even willing to share
information with simple customers shows that they’re much more open than a lot
of other companies. That said, the amount of confidential information I
personally received as Ambassador during cycle 5 wasn’t extremely high either.
Of course, I can’t say anything about it; let’s just say that most of it were
pre-release pictures of upcoming sets, and not even long before release. I’ve
seen preliminary pictures of the Eiffel Tower set, for example.
Ooops.
I
don’t know if you noticed, but I did just breach the NDA: I just disclosed some
of the confidential information I came in contact with at the time. Granted, the
breach is minimal, since I don’t upload the pictures themselves, and the set is
since long on the shelves so you didn’t learn anything of value, but it’s still
a breach. Actually, I’m lucky, I realized it just in time, so I still can ask
for permission to publish this article and cover myself.
OK, Steve approves.
Pfew, that was close. Thanks, Steve!
This brings me to what I consider the one
big problem of the NDA: it scares people. Most of the time, I was afraid to say
anything because it didn’t know if I was allowed or not. And I don’t think I’m
the only one, our discussion forums during cycle 5 were littered with questions
like “May we share this information?”, which wasted valuable time from the LEGO
Community Team.
Most importantly, the LEGO community at large got the
impression that Ambassadors weren’t allowed to say anything, and were forced to
silence, nearly vanishing from the online world altogether. Some resented this
as a fracture between the Ambassadors and the community. Which was Not Good™,
considering Ambassadors are there to represent the community.
Maybe I
exaggerate the fear. As far as I can see, the Ambassadors are usually perfectly
able to decide whether the information they so much want to share with their
fellow fans is OK or not. Still, when in doubt, shutting up has always been a
safe choice.
On the other hand, there wasn’t always much to say. The term
“Ambassador” is really an ambiguous one, most of the time understood by fans as
“Ambassadors from LEGO to the community”. Whereas it means “Ambassadors from the
community to LEGO”. The difference is important: our job is to relay your
desires, your complaints, your wishes to LEGO. Everything you want to say to
LEGO but don’t know how can go through an Ambassador. While we do relay some
information from LEGO to fans from time to time, it is not the main purpose of
the program as I see it.
But back on topic. LEGO involves fans for much more
than the Ambassadors, for example for workshops (think about Power Functions or
Mindstorms), and there the information is much more sensitive (even showing fans
actual prototypes). There is no question that the NDA is vital there. But for
Ambassadors, wasn’t it more of a nuisance?
If there’s one good thing to say
about cycle 5, it’s that we were able to think clearly about the program itself
and how it should evolve. Maybe we did less LEGO-related stuff because of that,
I don’t know, but this was necessary to ensure the program would thrive in the
future. Among other issues, we pointed out the NDA, and LEGO understood there
was a problem with it.
However, suppressing it would mean LEGO wouldn’t be
able to consult Ambassadors on confidential matters, which would have been a
loss, so they did the next best thing: for cycle 6, they made it optional.
The
way it was done was that a part of the discussions would still be under NDA, and
only Ambassadors willing to sign it would have access to that. Everything else -
not covered by NDA. This allowed not only to allow people not to sign it if they
didn’t want to, but more importantly, it allowed for a very clear and simple way
to identify confidential and non-confidential information.
When we were asked
whether we’d sign the NDA or not, there was an overwhelming “yes” response. In a
way, that surprised me, as I had the impression more people were actively
against it. I myself had discussed the matter a lot (consider what I’ve just
written so far and you’ll get an idea of how verbose I can be), so I felt I
needed not to sign it to be able to witness the difference. I’m spoiler-hungry,
so this wasn’t an easy decision, and I’m still not sure it was a good one. I
write this just as a justification of sorts, in a way.
To be honest, at the
time, I hadn’t expected the “optional” aspect of things - while a simple idea, I
simply hadn’t thought about it; in my mind LEGO would either go on with or
without it. I also hadn’t expected the fundamental difference it would make even
for people signing it, that is, the separate discussions and clear labelling of
what was confidential or not.
So there I was, not under NDA anymore. This
meant I could, and still can, talk about everything I witnessed during cycle 6.
Did I? Well, not that much. Most of what’s going on there is sure interesting,
but it doesn’t mean we should dump it all on the fans. Maybe other Ambassadors
did share more than I did; most of my discussions with fans were not online,
since I represent an actual physical club and focused on real contacts with
people, during various events in Europe. But it was good to know that I could
discuss anything and not risk to say something I couldn’t.
By the way, that
actually happened to me during cycle 5, in LEGO World 2007: I had just seen some
prototype of something (notice I’m not saying what, even though it’s out now),
and I wanted to discuss it with someone whom I was sure he knew about it yet, as
he had been ambassador earlier, and participated in various other NDA-covered
projects as well. Big mistake: he didn’t know. That was a real-time “oops”, much
more embarrassing - no taking back, no cover. Luckily, he’s a great guy and
stopped me before I even said anything too important, and even if I did, he
wouldn’t have spread it further.
Still, the danger of knowing confidential
stuff is real, and while I trust most Ambassadors have a better judgment than I
do... what you don’t know, you can’t spread, so I was happy not to know anything
confidential during cycle 6. Well, except I still did learn a few things,
because some people still thought I was under NDA and I confess that sometimes I
played the game of not reminding them. But while I could technically speak about
it, I’ll use whatever little judgment I have and not do it. Don’t worry, there
isn’t that much anyway.
To conclude, I think LEGO chose the good approach -
but whether under NDA or not, Ambassadors should always pay attention to what
they say, and not only for confidentiality reasons.
So, as newly appointed
Ambassador, should you sign the NDA? That’s a personal question. I’d advise so,
unless maybe if you’re afraid to have to pay more attention to what you say. I
remember someone last year saying that it was what the community he represented
would expect from him. I don’t think he actually asked them, but that would
probably the wisest choice: discuss it with your community, and ask them what
they think of it.
You do represent them, after all.
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In lugnet.ambassadors, Dave Sterling wrote:
> In lugnet.ambassadors, Jean-Marc Nimal wrote:
> > Straight from Steve Witt, the list of Cycle 7 ambassadors - congrats to all!
> I find it interesting, however, that we have nobody representing LUGNET. Was anyone even nominated? I know there was a thread on here regarding ambassador nominations, but I don't think it ever gathered any steam. Not to beat a dead horse...but is this another sign that LUGNET is dying?
>
> -Dave
I agree that LUGNET is missing, but I believe that everybody who participates
here is also (more) active somewhere else, LUGNET is a great inter-community
resource but there are few people who consider LUGNET their main LUG site.
On the other hand, the nomination of an ambassador related to the Brothers
Bricks might qualify in the same category... Maybe for the next round someone
can include LUGNET in his candidature much the same way as the ambassador for
Eurobricks is also ambassador for the SweLUG
Jetro
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