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Re: Bye, bye LUGNET
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lugnet.admin.general
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Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:53:46 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Kelly McKiernan wrote:
> It's your choice to accept LUGNET's rules as censorship. It's also my choice to
> disagree with that interpretation. It is what it is.
I have no immediate problem with lugnet's rules. And for that manor I have no
problem with the implementation of censorship here. I only object to the claim
that it's not censorship.
> There has never been any intent to lie, and I don't see where it is a lie.
Well the admins, mostly Larry, have stated repetedly that Lugnet does not
practice censorship. I quick search turned up these examples:
http://news.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=12090
http://news.lugnet.com/org/ca/rtltoronto/?n=13062
http://news.lugnet.com/color/?n=830
http://news.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=12017
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=26528
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=25926
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=22794
> The
> most direct analogy I can think of is being a parent in line somewhere with the
> kids in tow, and a group of people five feet away are yelling profanities at
> each other. As a parent, I have no problem politely asking them to please keep
> it quiet in front of my children.
To complete your analogy, you would have to threaten to ball gag this group of
people if they didn't stop. Then you'd actually have to ball gag them if they
didn't stop.
That is censorship.
You are are threating people with a negative consiquence for what they say. I
can not think of any clearer example of what censorship is.
So given that you repeatedly claim you are not practicing censorship, when you
so clearly are; I feel fully justified in saying lugnet is lying about this
policy.
> If you consider my actions there censorship,
> then yes, LUGNET policy is censorship.
Sorry, you can't ask me to interpite your actions as censorship. You have to
tell me your actions are censorship.
> As I said elsewhere, you can choose
> whether or not to accept that policy. In all instances, the choices are left to
> you.
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> However, this is a side issue on the semantics of a slippery word. The real
> issue, to paraphrase, is why people are asked to cancel a post if it violates
> the ToS. In a nutshell: rules are rules, and LUGNET can choose to enforce the
> published rules, or not. If not, then any attempt at administration is a joke.
> If so, then we need to do our best to enforce those rules.
Again, I currently do not have a problem with any of the rules. I don't even
have a problem with the way they are enforced. (With the exception of how they
mess up the threading, but that's a technical issue)
But call it what it is. Don't hide behind obsqure legal language. It's just
pissing people off. Call it like it is and everyone will understand what's
going on.
If you say you are censoring, then most everyones argument around this issue
goes out the window. Like you keep saying, those are the rules around here.
Well if you say you are censoring, then those are the rules around here.
There's not much you can say against that. But to say you aren't censoring when
you so clearly are just breeds all sorts of revolt.
> If you feel the need to be wild and unbridled, there are other venues that are
> more open on this particular issue. For example, I enjoy browsing JLUG, as it is
> explicitly aimed at people who accept a wider range of language use. In other
> context, other language choices are acceptable to the audience.
In fact I don't go to JLUG, because it doesn't interest me, and I don't want
Lugnet to become like what I'm lead to believe JLUG is. All I want is this
false claim of not censoring to stop.
> Because of LUGNET's position as an area for ALL LEGO enthusiasts to mingle,
> including kids, the language rule is being enforced. If you find that
> unacceptable, there are other great venues available for that particular type of
> message.
I believe that's exactly what I said.
Derek
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| (...) It's your choice to accept LUGNET's rules as censorship. It's also my choice to disagree with that interpretation. It is what it is. - snip - (...) There has never been any intent to lie, and I don't see where it is a lie. The most direct (...) (20 years ago, 1-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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