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In lugnet.technic, Jan-Albert van Ree writes:
> Aw, don't worry, there's another one up, at $0.01 now without reserve even
> ;-)
D'oh!!! But then again it's now up to $15.50 with 9 days to go... and mine is
MISB, so blah... :-)
BTW, searching for 8479s sold on eBay indicates that $150 - $155 is about the
going rate these days. We know eBay isn't the cheapest.
A
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"Daniel A. Segel" <lego-robotics@crynwr.com> wrote in message
news:4.2.0.58.20000123200749.00962930@netcom8.netcom.com...
> At 04:10 AM 1/24/00 +0000, Mauro Vianna wrote:
> > This pulley was mentioned in Dave Baun book (scanbot, page 167).
> > Did anybody use the friction pulley from mindstorms kit to do connect 2
> > axles? It has a cross hole on one end and a rubber ring in the other that
> > seens to fit an axle.
>
> I have three of these pulleys, and they're all too tight to allow any
> slipping at all. Maybe when they're a little older they'll function more
> like you're suggesting.
>
> Daniel Segel
I thought about that too. If you use if with after some gear reduction
instead of attaching directly to the motor axle it may work. I'm trying to
use that to use the RCX to control steering in the #8445 (Indy car) set.
My concern is that I'm not sure if it was really designed to be used this
way. I'm afraid that it may damage the rubber ring. But I couldn't figure
any other use to that ring also. In fact, I didn't notice that ring until I
read the comment in the book. :)
Mauro Vianna
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Hey guys - I'm new here. However, I have a list of most of the Lego Technic
sets released in the US since 1996, including Number, Name, Year, Number of
Pieces, Cost (Approximate), and Notes. Please let me know if you find this
useful:
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/markjen/Lego/TechnicList.html
It contains some updates to information in the Pause database, so I'm hoping
this finds its way to the person that administers that, just in case he/she is
interested in the info...
Tx, Mark
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Marcelo H. Sola wrote:
> I live in Buenos Aires and found 2 brand new Caribbean Clippers in a toy
> shop. I intend to buy and keep both. The sad part is each costs $135. I'll
> try to negotiate a better price as they've been there for many years
> untouched together with a couple of even more expensive Black Seas
> Barracudas. God, I wish Legos were as cheap here as thay are in the US!!
WTF??? Black seas baracudas still new in a toystore???
--
Jonathan Wilson
wilsonj@xoommail.com
http://members.xoom.com/wilsonj/
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Hi.
This is a shot in the dark, but...
I was reading throught the website, and came across:
Interface B #9751
The Interface B has 4 passive inputs (for touch and temperature
sensors), 4 active inputs (for light and angle sensors) and 8
ouputs, plus a constant 9V "test" output. It interfaces to a
PC (it may be a simple RS232 serial connection, in which case
it would interface to any computer?)
This got me thinking (probably my first mistake :^)
If the the box is really an RS232 device, does
anyone out there have a guss on wether or not you
could hook it up to a IR tower, and have the RCX
tell it to do things??
If so it would be a great way to get more inputs and
outputs.
-Kyle
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
ps?
>
> And if you don't like being called a limey, don't call us Yanks. :-)
Erm, never mind. silly me, insulting someone with an appelation for a
country he doesn't live in. Limey is a derogatory for someone from the
UK not Canada.
--
Larry Pieniazek - larryp@novera.com - http://my.voyager.net/lar
http://www.mercator.com. Mercator, the e-business transformation company
fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet.
Note: this is a family forum!
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> Why are the main character mini-figs in the Star Wars sets universal in • their
> look of unhappiness? The background characters seem generally cheerful.
>
> Steve Bliss
Maybe they're tired of being surrounded by nothing but duplicates of
themselves (meaning TLG should make more background characters so we won't
have to figure out what to do with all those platoons of Luke's)!
Dave
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I think you done good.
If TLC wants us to respect their IP, they have to respect ours too. Now,
it's true that posting a model to their site grants certain IP rights
but they need to consider how to effectively prevent copied models.
--
Larry Pieniazek - larryp@novera.com - http://my.voyager.net/lar
http://www.mercator.com. Mercator, the e-business transformation company
fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet.
Note: this is a family forum!
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Yes, thanks muchly for the inspiration, you appeared in the nick of time
as it were... We'll be watching for your next work!
--
Larry Pieniazek - larryp@novera.com - http://my.voyager.net/lar
http://www.mercator.com. Mercator, the e-business transformation company
fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet.
Note: this is a family forum!
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Jonathan Reynolds wrote:
> Douglas,
> Take a look around some of the train-related sites. The original creations
> displayed far surpass anything that was available from TLG.
Ain't that the truth.
Well, I'm happy to say my fingers are sore. I've been building all day,
with some help from the kids, and Nik's project train is all done. As
you may recall, he had signed up (they are all studying Japan) to report
on the "speed train" or Shinkazen.
It was very fortuitous that Masayuki showed up when he did, as his work
spurred me on. I cribbed a few ideas but I think I came up with
something somewhat different.
Basically it took 2 4561's, the doors from 2 5561s, and a lot of extra
slopes and blue and white bricks and plates... but I now have a 5 unit
(2 end power/control units and three cars in the center) bullet train. I
did not have that many of the 2 wide thinwalls to try the sideways move,
so I just used the boatloads of 4 wide thinwalls (the 1x4x3h kind). The
windows are kind of big, but that lets you see all the detailing.
I gotta get my camera fixed or replaced so I can show it off, but I
won't be tearing this creation down, although it doesn't really fit in
with my US prototype plans.
I had the rounded ends out from a Tie/Y but ended up just using a bunch
of airplane/boat noses to get a very pointy front end. I haven't decided
if it's too pointy or not, but it's good enough.
--
Larry Pieniazek - larryp@novera.com - http://my.voyager.net/lar
http://www.mercator.com. Mercator, the e-business transformation company
fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet.
Note: this is a family forum!
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At 04:10 AM 1/24/00 +0000, Mauro Vianna wrote:
> This pulley was mentioned in Dave Baun book (scanbot, page 167).
> Did anybody use the friction pulley from mindstorms kit to do connect 2
> axles? It has a cross hole on one end and a rubber ring in the other that
> seens to fit an axle.
I have three of these pulleys, and they're all too tight to allow any
slipping at all. Maybe when they're a little older they'll function more
like you're suggesting.
Daniel Segel
--
"Ich bin ein Geleeschaumgummiring."
daniels@netcom.com
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In lugnet.general, Jean-marc Détraz writes:
> In lugnet.general, Shiri Dori writes:
> > In lugnet.general, Jean-marc Détraz writes:
> > > Lego art has reached a new standard! Maybe not the highest priced Lego in
> > > eBay history, but certainly the highest opening bid I have ever seen. Is
> > > this really made of Lego pieces? What's your opinion?
> > >
> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=244432396
> > >
> > > She's a real beauty, but way outta my price range... {:^)>
> > >
> > > Jean-Marc
> >
> > Oh my gosh! That is one expensive lot!
> > I would've bid, I have $11,123 to spare, but the 21 cents - sorry, that's too
> > much for me ;-)
> >
> > -Shiri
>
> Shiri, send me your address, I'll be more than happy to send you a quarter!
LOL!
I can't express my graditude!
-Shiri
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I have approximately 100 of each type of the dark gray burps
which I would like to sell.
The 3x8x7 (triangle) burps are $0.75 US each.
The 4x10x6 (square) burps are $1.25 US each.
Actual shipping charges will have to be added.
E-mail me if you are interested.
Thanks for your time,
- Jeff Shiner
shiners@home.com
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Thompson writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I finally have a page! Meanwhile, it contains only castle minifig MOCs.
> > Buildings will come soon (once I build them :-)
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/shiri_lego/
> >
> > This is just a beginning, I have more pics just waiting for appropriate
> > captions and s'more time...
> >
> > Tell me what you think!
> >
> > -Shiri
> >
> > FUT .castle
>
> Way cool, Shiri!
>
> The Rock Raider's babe's face looks good minus the microphone. Time
> to pull out the exacto knife and experiment. It's been a while since
> I cut lego. Muahahhahahahahha.
Take a look at Craig's homepage - he has great modified minifigs, I was
inspired by him.
> jthompson@esker.com "Float on a river, forever and ever, Emily"
On a side note - I always wondered, what does that mean?
-Shiri
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This pulley was mentioned in Dave Baun book (scanbot, page 167).
Did anybody use the friction pulley from mindstorms kit to do connect 2
axles? It has a cross hole on one end and a rubber ring in the other that
seens to fit an axle.
It seens it could be an option to any situation where you don't want the
motor to get stucked when the second axle stops, like steering mechanisms.
But I did not see any robot using it yet.
Mauro Vianna
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I live in Buenos Aires and found 2 brand new Caribbean Clippers in a toy
shop. I intend to buy and keep both. The sad part is each costs $135. I'll
try to negotiate a better price as they've been there for many years
untouched together with a couple of even more expensive Black Seas
Barracudas. God, I wish Legos were as cheap here as thay are in the US!!
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Mark Koesel wrote:
> Looking at the secondary catalog picture on http://www.lego.com for set
> 9736, I see that it includes four 40t gears, and (drum roll) many of the
> bulldozer links (which are currently only available through Dacta).
> Just thought I'd mentioned it, since I hadn't yet seen anyone else point
> this out.
I think the pictures are just showing you examples of what you can make. If
you notice it includes the RCX. So the 40t gears could be from the Main set
and not the Mars pack...
Dean
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In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I finally have a page! Meanwhile, it contains only castle minifig MOCs.
> Buildings will come soon (once I build them :-)
>
> http://www.geocities.com/shiri_lego/
>
> This is just a beginning, I have more pics just waiting for appropriate
> captions and s'more time...
>
> Tell me what you think!
>
> -Shiri
>
> FUT .castle
Way cool, Shiri!
The Rock Raider's babe's face looks good minus the microphone. Time
to pull out the exacto knife and experiment. It's been a while since
I cut lego. Muahahhahahahahha.
--
jthompson@esker.com "Float on a river, forever and ever, Emily"
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> What Technic LEGO sets or MOC's have a loading grab, i.e., a front-end
> loading scoop, a backhoe scoop, or a crane hook?
Linc Smith (sorry, no URL handy) has a neat excavator.
Here's mine...
<http://www.hempeldesigngroup.com/lego/excavator/index.html>
Cheers,
Ralph Hempel - P.Eng
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A picture is worth a thousand words, but very few
sets of a thousand words can be adequately described
by a picture...
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Reply to: rhempel at bmts dot com
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Kmart is doing it again (this is the third time in the last two
months), "Buy One, Get One 50% Off" on LEGO.
This sale runs January 23rd thru the 29th.
Kmart is starting to become my favorite LEGO purchasing haunt.
Frederick.
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I finally have a page! Meanwhile, it contains only castle minifig MOCs.
> > Buildings will come soon (once I build them :-)
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/shiri_lego/
> >
> > This is just a beginning, I have more pics just waiting for appropriate
> > captions and s'more time...
> >
> > Tell me what you think!
>
> I like it! I really like your minifigs, especially your modified Rock Raiders
> head. Can't wait to see more, keep up the good work!
Thanks! Glad you liked them!
The RR head was my first modifying job, conducted only two days ago. I think
it turned out quite well. I only bought the small RR set for the head, and was
disappointed to see the mike on it. Craig told me how he changed his and I
couldn't resist the temptation... It only took my ~5 minutes to take it off
with an x-acto knife.
I'll be working on the page next week, until my S@H order will arrive... Then
I'll start building my... er, Franz's castle ;-)
-Shiri
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I have just updated with 3 new models: Light Assault Mech, Dropship,
Spidertank. The Download section is still not complete. :-(
Please LMKWYT!
Mladen Pejic, over and out!
http://tor-pw1.netcom.ca/~milovan/index.htm
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In lugnet.robotics.rcx, Mike Case writes:
> Is there a Mindstorms FAQ available?
As a specific website, not to my knowledge (although some of us are trying to
create a bit of one over at the WikiWeb), but that doesn't mean there aren't
people or sites that can answer questions. Try clicking around; start with
the sites listed on the left of the lugnet.robotics bulletin board.
HTH,
Ian Warfield
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Fredrik Glöckner wrote:
> Jonathan Wilson <wilsonj@xoommail.com> writes:
>
> > > Technic Shock Absorber Small (in process)
> >
> > I believe that it is the large shock absorber that is in progress.
>
> The small shock absorber in 8448 is different from the one we already
> have in LDraw, as the spring has fewer coil windings.
Yup. I double-checked the two parts. Fredrick is correct, the new spring has
fewer windings. And it is stiffer than the old spring. Other than the new
spring, the pieces of the parts seem to be identical.
Steve
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In lugnet.general, Shiri Dori writes:
> In lugnet.general, Jean-marc Détraz writes:
> > Lego art has reached a new standard! Maybe not the highest priced Lego in
> > eBay history, but certainly the highest opening bid I have ever seen. Is
> > this really made of Lego pieces? What's your opinion?
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=244432396
> >
> > She's a real beauty, but way outta my price range... {:^)>
> >
> > Jean-Marc
>
> Oh my gosh! That is one expensive lot!
> I would've bid, I have $11,123 to spare, but the 21 cents - sorry, that's too
> much for me ;-)
>
> -Shiri
Shiri, send me your address, I'll be more than happy to send you a quarter!
Jean-Marc
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In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I finally have a page! Meanwhile, it contains only castle minifig MOCs.
> Buildings will come soon (once I build them :-)
>
> http://www.geocities.com/shiri_lego/
>
> This is just a beginning, I have more pics just waiting for appropriate
> captions and s'more time...
>
> Tell me what you think!
I like it! I really like your minifigs, especially your modified Rock Raiders
head. Can't wait to see more, keep up the good work!
Jeff
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In lugnet.robotics.rcx.nqc, Steven Heide writes:
> Is it possible to break this loop when a certain distance is reached? I don't
> want to use another rotation sensor.
You could probably change the first line to
while (SENSOR_1 < target_distance)
and it should work fine. Since you want to keep the two rotation sensor
values (and hence the two wheel distances) equal, each sensor will
individually measure the approximate distance travelled (plus or minus an
angle increment).
One optional bit of advice: If you check the rotation values against each
other directly, the robot might tend to "jiggle" from side to side as it tries
to keep the differences equal. You might be able to get away with setting a
threshold of a few increments, say 3:
...
if (SENSOR_1 > SENSOR_3 + 3)
{
Float(OUT_A);
}
else if (SENSOR_3 > SENSOR_1 + 3)
{
Float(OUT_C);
}
else
...
This way, the robot won't need to adjust turning until the wheels really get
out of sync. As I said, though, this is optional: your use of Float rather
than Off is a good solution because it minimizes jerkiness introduced
by "brake" mode.
> I'm new to programing so this may seem like a silly question.
And as the cliché goes, there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.
Just because many people in this list talk about high-tech concepts doesn't
mean they mind answering newbie questions too. In fact, often people stumble
over each other in attempt to reply first!
Anyway, hope this helped.
-- Ian
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In lugnet.cad.dat.parts, John Jensen wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dat.parts, Tore Eriksson writes:
> >
> >
> > John Jensen wrote:
> >
> > > 1 16 -92 -28 -58 0 1 0 -12.31 0 33.83 33.83 0 12.31 48/1-4edge.dat
> > > 1 16 -92 -28 -58 0 1 0 35.08 0 8.10 8.10 0 -35.08 48/1-8edge.dat
> > > 1 16 92 -28 -58 0 1 0 35.08 0 8.10 8.10 0 -35.08 48/1-8edge.dat
> > > 1 16 92 -28 -58 0 1 0 -12.31 0 33.83 33.83 0 12.31 48/1-4edge.dat
> >
> >
> > Is it ok to use shashes and not backslashes in a pure DOS environment? I wouldn't
> > recommend it, but then again, not too many run DOS nowadays?
> I was a bit pussled over this too, but I figure that LDraw is clever enough
> to figure it out for itself:) (changing / to \ doesn't solve my problem
> either btw.)
> But I have this nagging feeling that I'm missing something here...
> When putting new primitives to use, is it then enough to just place them in
> the p or p/48/ dir? or should I run some sort of update utility?
It should be sufficient to put the primitives in the proper location. There's
nothing else that needs to be update.
Steve
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> Lego art has reached a new standard! Maybe not the highest priced Lego in eBay
> history, but certainly the highest opening bid I have ever seen. Is this
> really made of Lego pieces? What's your opinion?
Looks like Lego... 2x3 bricks maybe.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=244432396
>
> She's a real beauty, but way outta my price range... {:^)>
>
> Jean-Marc
It is quite nice... But the seller gives zero information about the
artist. Unless it's someone really famous, I don't see anyone buying
this at this price.
I think someone is testing the Ebay market for such creations as the
name might suggest.
I think Eric Hashbarger's sculptures, as well as the creations by many
other individuals are far more valuable and collectable than this.
The artists also have a history in the AFOL community.
<ICS>
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Hi everyone,
I finally have a page! Meanwhile, it contains only castle minifig MOCs.
Buildings will come soon (once I build them :-)
http://www.geocities.com/shiri_lego/
This is just a beginning, I have more pics just waiting for appropriate
captions and s'more time...
Tell me what you think!
-Shiri
FUT .castle
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No problem. It seems that you guys's schedule is a bit tougher than mine, so
lets try to set something up for a week or two out. If you guys can work
something out, I should be able to make it. (I hope)
Wayne G.
In lugnet.loc.us.mo, Levering A. Reynolds writes:
> I have to apologize I do not Read Lugnet much at home I read it at work so
> most of the time there is going to be delay.
>
> Andrew Reynolds
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In lugnet.general, Jean-marc Détraz writes:
> Lego art has reached a new standard! Maybe not the highest priced Lego in • eBay
> history, but certainly the highest opening bid I have ever seen. Is this
> really made of Lego pieces? What's your opinion?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=244432396
>
> She's a real beauty, but way outta my price range... {:^)>
>
> Jean-Marc
Oh my gosh! That is one expensive lot!
I would've bid, I have $11,123 to spare, but the 21 cents - sorry, that's too
much for me ;-)
-Shiri
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In lugnet.general, Jean-marc Détraz writes:
> Lego art has reached a new standard! Maybe not the highest priced Lego in • eBay
> history, but certainly the highest opening bid I have ever seen. Is this
> really made of Lego pieces? What's your opinion?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=244432396
>
> She's a real beauty, but way outta my price range... {:^)>
>
> Jean-Marc
It looks like it is just a test post, hence its astronomical opening bid.
'Course, I could be wrong.
Jeff
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I have a complete Shell World Cup soccer stadium up for auction at eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=242369480
It's exactly as pictured on the boxes - 2 full teams, a whopping 10 tribunes
(6 end, 4 side), etc. All MISB except one of the tribunes. Current high bid is
just a shade over $200.
I also have a variety of mostly castle and space sets listed now (also MISB).
Some are duplicates of ones I sold recently on Serious Collector and I'll have
copies of most of the rest up there eventually as well so no need to bid if
the prices get too crazy. :-) See all my auctions at:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=dfinney
Happy bidding!
Doug
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Lego art has reached a new standard! Maybe not the highest priced Lego in eBay
history, but certainly the highest opening bid I have ever seen. Is this
really made of Lego pieces? What's your opinion?
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=244432396
She's a real beauty, but way outta my price range... {:^)>
Jean-Marc
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 01:09:51 GMT, "Tony Kilaras" <kilaras@speedus.com>
wrote:
> I wholeheartedly agree with you, but what you're saying is going to fall on
> deaf ears around here, as you will see with the inane responses that are
> sure to follow your post.
I disagree.
But ultimately, I see Todd's rule about foul language here being
analagous to my rule about no smoking in my home. I may invite people
over to my home to watch a movie, have a few drinks, talk, etc, but
even if I know some of them smoke, they _don't_ smoke in my home.
It's my home - I make the rules. The people I invite over either
respect that or they leave and don't come back.
It's like that with LUGNET. This is Todd's place. He's invited us
here, he wants us all to have a good time, but if he sets a rule like,
"don't stink up my home with your disgusting foul-smelling smoke" or
"don't use foul language" - that's his right, and we (collectively and
individually) can either like it or lump it.
I did my time in the Army. I can curse with the worst of them, and do
quite often, when it's appropriate. But like it or not, there are
times when _other_ people dictate when it's appropriate.
I don't give a flip about its impact on kids or other people, to be
honest. I'm respecting Todd's wishes. The fact that a
foul-language-free environment might encourage other people who are
more prone to being offended to stick around is just icing, imo.
You or anyone else is free to setup a place like this of your own, and
you can allow or not allow any sort of discussion you want - it'll be
your place. But lumping those of us who simply choose to respect
Todd's rights as owner to set the rules into the "inane responses"
category mainly just demonstrates your own inability to accept that
other people can disagree with you for perfectly valid reasons.
--
The parts you want and nothing else?
http://jaba.dtrh.com/ - Just Another Brick Auction
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In lugnet.castle, Craig Hamilton writes:
> (This is Pawel - sitting out the bad weather at Craig's)
>
> My last post got deleted, so I'm going to try to restate anything that was
> missed and add on a few things:
>
> 1) The Map
>
> The map will be a 4x4 grid for starters (european style) and a 2x1 grid for
> the oriental style (since that's how I see the breakdown right now ...) The
> two will not be connected, but upon exploration, may end up becoming one.
I was just thinking about better ways of making the map, and I remembered a
program called Campaign Cartographer. It is a program to create campaign
worlds for AD&D and other Fantasy Roleplaying Games, by ProFantasy
<http://www.profantasy.com/>. After looking at some of the screen shots, it
looks like it would be perfect for Castle World. Does anyone have this
program? If not, I've been considering getting this, so may go ahead and get
it in a couple weeks.
>
> 2) The menu.
>
> The menu is still preliminary, but will contain the following (suggestions
> welcome here):
>
> 1) The Map - will take you to the map menu.
> 2) Structures - buildings or such submitted by people. Each will have it's
> own page with a little history and the creator.
A little map that shows its location would be nice. Maybe include nearby
structures, too.
> 3) Characters - unique people or things with a little background and
> personality. A system for indexing those will fall into place. The creator
> will also be here. More on that later.
For the indexing of the Charatcers, sorting by location or kingdom might be
best.
> 4) Demons or creatures - non-unique original creations (wraiths, animals,
> etc...)
Woohoo! Gotta start working on some monsters. Mwahahahahaha!
Jeff
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In lugnet.loc.uk, Alan Kershaw writes:
> Quick postscript
>
> The set is really the Ice Tunnelator 6814
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Alan Kershaw
Ah yes! Our VERY Shifty Lego Clones....There was talk of them before on
LUGNET, Read more about it on
http://www.lugnet.com/castle/?n=1476
You will find some pics there and some information...I don't know whats up
with these "SHIFTY" sets, but it's something very strange indeed...
Erin
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