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| | | (Sometimes I think that if TLC announced it was closing down, the first post on LUGNET or elsewhere might be something like "Oh, no! That's really terrible! I've got to have 7 more 2x6 pink plates! Can't they wait until I find some on BrickLink?") (...) (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: All plastic track —Bryan Wong
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| | | | | (...) Ted, I think you've read into this incorrectly. From my understanding, TLC's goal is to have TWO train lines - one for "adults", and one for "young kids" (to bridge the gap between DUPLO trains and 9V). TLC has (hopefully) learned from its (...) (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Ted Michon
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| | | | | | In lugnet.trains, Bryan Wong wrote:> (...) Bryan- It's difficiult to buy 9V train stuff now except from S@H. With the new play train out, it will be impossible anywhere except S@H (Jake did say that track would now be a lego.com item). And I (...) (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Bryan Wong
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| | | | | | (...) Ted, I'm sure all of us will agree that 9V train stuff is expensive. That means most retail stores (apart from LEGO stores and independent toy store) will avoid stocking these items except maybe during the Christmas season. So you're right in (...) (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Joe Strout
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| | | | | | | (...) I don't see how that's much different from the current situation, though. I have never seen a LEGO train set at TRU or Target, where I frequently buy other LEGO. For trains, I go to a LEGO store, or (around Christmas) an independent toy store (...) (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Ted Michon
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| | | | | | | | (...) Joe- Most of the train stuff we have ever bought was on close out at Target, TRU, or the tent sale at LLCA. And the best deals we've gotten from BrickLink presumably originated from retails stores, not LEGO brand stores. Our best deal ever was (...) (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Mike Walsh
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| | | | | | | | "Ted Michon" <ted@scltc.org> wrote in message news:ILC8Hw.1nKw@lugnet.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) TRU, or (...) presumably (...) was (...) trains (...) stuff at (...) (like (...) I suspect your $1k for $50 Target deal is one of the key (...) (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Ted Michon
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| | | | | | | | (...) Mike- My experience buying LEGO started only goes back 15 years. The Target buy occurred during the transition from 4.5/12V to the 9 volt system when I got 100 boxes of old track for $0.50 each. I haven't found any great Target deals at all in (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Ted Michon
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| | | | | | (...) Bryan- Ah, we are not quite communicating., I'm saying nothing good is happening with 9V train components, the stuff that handles 9VDC that makes the "hobby train" system as opposed to the "play train" system. Specifically, I mean motors, (...) (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Bryan Wong
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| | | | | | (...) Ahhh ok I get what you're saying. Strange thing is, I did think to myself - what if Ted is actually referring to the individual 9V components themselves? -Bryan (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Ted Michon
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| | | | | | (...) Bryan- Right. I hope (and expect) LEGO Factory to be extremely successful. It's looks like a win-win for TLC and many LEGO builders (not so good for retailers and resellers). Clearly LEGO Factory will be as useful to train builders as to any (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track — Jake McKee
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, this may be the best thing in years for retailers. We're looking at ways that they'd be able to easily get sets from consumer creators like you, if they like your design. Jake --- Jake McKee Community Liaison LEGO Community Team (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Retailers stock fan-created designs? (was: Re: All plastic track) —Thomas Main
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| | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) Really? Lots of questions for you about this: Are you saying that big buyers like Target and Wal*mart might be able to stock fan-created designs? Would TLG present them with a selection of fan-created sets from which to choose, or (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: All plastic track —Joe Strout
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| | | | | (...) I didn't attend that talk, but I did listen to it in MP3 form, and I didn't get that impression at all. I heard him say that they were introducing a new "play train" line, that would be in addition to the existing 9V and Duplo train lines. (...) (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Ted Michon
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| | | | | | (...) Joe- I wrote that TLC announced that it is "focusing" on a new "play train" system that will be widely available and that the 9V "hobby train" will be relegated to lego.com and S@H sources, My "observations" were based on what what was said (...) (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track — Jake McKee
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| | | | | | (...) When you say "prohibitively expensive", it's important to put it in context. If you're talking about a 5 year old getting into trains for the first time, metal rails are certainly expensive. If you're talking about a Hobby Train, then that's a (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Richard W. Schamus
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| | | | | | | (...) I would think that it is the market that TLG is/was trying to target (primarily 7 year olds - think 4561 - through tweens), not Train Hobbyists. $100+ is still a fairly large investment for some parents to make on present that potentially will (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track — Jake McKee
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| | | | | | | | (...) Again, we're not "moving away" from metal rails. Metal rails will continue on into the future. Jake --- Jake McKee Community Liaison LEGO Community Team (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Richard W. Schamus
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| | | | | | | | (...) I heard you the first time. I wish you would hear us. It "appears" that the metal rail sets are at an end. I don't know how I feel about that yet. I listened very carefully when you said that the track will still be available for many years, (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track — Jake McKee
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sorry, not trying to be dense, I swear. :) Now, to be sure I understand... when you say "metal rail sets", are you referring LEGO Train sets (the big boxes) that include the metal rails AND a model all in one box? Sets like the High Speed or (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Tim David
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| | | | | | | (...) Hey, they're expensive for me, £12 ish a pack! Tim (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | (...) Ehmm to put things into perspective : LEGO track : 21 Euro/meter Peco code 75 h0 track : 6 Euro/meter (about as "finescale" as it gets in Europe in h0 wrt factory track) Roco Line track with bedding : 9 Euro/meter So even for model (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: All plastic track — Jake McKee
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| | | | | (...) First, to be completely clear about a very very important distinction - we're not "switching", we're "including". Plastic rails will not kill the metal rails. Metal rails will continue into the future. We are working on production process that (...) (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Brian Davis
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| | | | | | | (...) OK, here's two I was *dying* to ask at BrickFest, but didn't want to take time away from the more "serious" questioners (i.e. - I'm not first & formost a train type). (1) What is the battery life goal? (2) Is the IR system potential compatable (...) (19 years ago, 16-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Jordan Bradford
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I have some questions, too. I'm not a huge train person -- I own only two train sets -- but I'm aware of the 9V system's limitations. Would a 9V train have enough momentum to pass over a single section of plastic track? I'm thinking that the (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Stefan Garcia
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Oooh!!! That would be nifty. Electrical blocks. Also could be used for cheap sidings, if the price is right. (...) Doesn't that not work because of the polarity switching? Like you say above. Or would you isolate it twice, so that you have one (...) (19 years ago, 18-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Rick Clark
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Actually, hacking the rails to electrically insulate the track only requires sandwiching a tiny slip of paper in between the two sections you want isolated from each other. Tear away the excess, and mark the spot with a red plate (so you can (...) (19 years ago, 18-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —John Barnes
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'd like to add a few of my own detail questions. A) How many channels will there be? There obviously needs to be at least as many as there are simultaneous running loco's on tracks else locos on sidings will keep waking up (since the switches (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Mathew Clayson
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'll second every thing John said above. I've already built a couple of small RC train projects. And I can't wait to hack the new system as well. I also apluad the idea of cheaper train sets (plastic track), as I already have a ton of curved (...) (19 years ago, 18-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm eager to see it too. Being able to put a remote controlled battery train on the same track as a 9V one sounds like fun. Though not if Jon Reynolds is doing it... I think best would be an IR start/stop control, so that the train keeps (...) (19 years ago, 18-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Ted Michon
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| | | | | | | Jake- I haven't quite figured out why I am more concerned about the recent track announcements than most other LTC types I have spoken with. Certainly there's not much anxiety with SCLTC (and even some enthusiasm) as I check in with members. (That (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | In lugnet.trains, Jake McKee wrote: snip snip (...) Just to clarify Jake, will you be referring to both (Play and Hobby) as L gauge? That would make sense to me as they are all the same gauge. But it might confuse "real" train modellers - when we (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track — Jake McKee
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, that's a very good point. I was using L Gauge to refer to anything that uses the track gauge (distance between rails, obviously) currently used for both the Play and Hobby trains. But I don't pretend to think that I should be (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Tim David
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| | | | | | | (...) How about Finescale L and Coarsescale L gauges :) Seriously tho I think L-gauge would be suitable for both, it only refers the track gauge, not the scale, and as they are the same... Tim (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Mark Bellis
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| | | | | | | (...) For the public exhibitions with model railway clubs that I've done over the last four years I haven't referred to "L-gauge" because no-one outside the Lego community has heard of it! Instead I have used "8mm:1ft scale" because that is the (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Patrick S. O'Donnell
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| | | | | | | (...) Here's one idea... Origin'L' for metal tracked model trains and 'L'Cheapo for the plastic tracked play trains. -Patrick (19 years ago, 21-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Ondrew Hartigan
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| | | | | | | | (...) My thoughts are since both the metal rail and plastic rail are nearly identical other than the conducting rails that they are both deserving of being called L-gauge. However since there could be some confusion I would suggest adding the words (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | (...) I agree with you, and I think it will look more "classic". The vast majority of my track is already plastic for the old battery train and this is the only one I run at my house. Electrified track is for the girls who like to see how much juice (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | (...) I'd say 'L-Gauge' defines the spacing of the track. If you want to distinguish between metal or plastic track then use some other terminology. Don't confuse the issue when some people have just started making headway into traditional model (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Christopher Masi
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| | | | | | (...) What make the most sense to me is... Conducting L-gauge track and non-conducting L-gauge track Chris (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: All plastic track —Ondrew Hartigan
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| | | | (...) Personally I think the play train is a fantastic idea. It will be a great way to lower cost while providing opportunities for new parts, ideas and a new younger audience. Now some of you are worried about the death of the 9volt train set but (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Not a big IR fan either but one thing to consider about controllability is that perhaps this system will be more like a walkaround throttle than a wired one, that is, in many IR systems, you press the go button and the vehicle goes. Take your (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: All plastic track —Ted Michon
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| | | | (...) I think Larry summed it up nicely. Little kids want to follow the train where ever it goes, so line-of-sight and very short range would be just fine. Remote control from one spot is more of an adult appeal thing and only becomes necessary when (...) (19 years ago, 17-Aug-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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