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Subject: 
Re: A space physics question
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lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.space
Date: 
Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:44:49 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Palmer writes:
> Imagine a winch pulling a rope or cable through a series of pulleys
> (horizontal) that are staked to the ground. The pulleys are arranged so that
> the rope makes a zig zag pattern on the ground.  There is an object at one
> end of the cable, being reeled in by the winch at the other end (ignore for
> now that the object would collide with the pulleys)
> 
> The pulleys and winch stay in place because they are anchored to the ground.
> 
> Now imagine this setup on a much larger scale in space.  The pulleys and
> Winch, no longer tethered to anything, would not be able to stay in the same
> spot.
> 
> But what if the winch and pulleys had thrusters on them to maintain their
> position?  Is that possible?

I'll say "sure" but with this question as a follow-up.

Pulleys are usually used on Earth to gain a mechanical advantage.  In space,
since the object is weightless (but still has mass!) there isn't the need
for the pulleys... at least as far as I can see.  So my question is, "are
the pulleys a decorative part of this scenario?  Or do they serve yet
another function which hasn't been discussed?"

> Start with the winch.  It's reeling in the object at the other end of the
> cable.  In my mind the winch would also reel it's self in, so that it and
> the object would meet in the middle.  If it had thrusters, in this case
> aimed towards the object, could it maintain it's position if it supplied
> thrust which was equal in energy to the pulling of the cable?  Disregard
> fuel use etc.. Imagine that the thrusters could maintain a constant rate
> throughout the reeling process.
> 
> So now think about the smaller pulleys that are spaced out along the cable.
> In order for them to maintain the precise zig zag pattern (this is crucial)

This was what triggered my question above.  What is the significance of the
zig zag pattern?

> they would need thrusters too.  I imagine if they didn't have them the winch
> and object would eventually pull the length of the cable straight.

Agreed.

> Imagine for a moment that this is possible.  The small pulleys would
> disengage and shoot away (or explode perhaps)

I always liked the idea of explosive bolts etc.   :)

> from the cable just before the
> object hit them.  This would correct the course of the object.  ex: It was
> going left, now it's going up and to the right, on its way to the next
> pulley.
> 
> Thoughts?

Yup... still wondering what's with all the zigging and the zagging.

All the best,
Allan B.



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  A space physics question
 
Imagine a winch pulling a rope or cable through a series of pulleys (horizontal) that are staked to the ground. The pulleys are arranged so that the rope makes a zig zag pattern on the ground. There is an object at one end of the cable, being reeled (...) (24 years ago, 28-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.space)

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