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Re: sys_time (long post)
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Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:23:06 GMT
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Mark,
Excellent Post !
Ok, I will admit it; I was the one that put the sys_time handler on the
NMI. 8-)
I guess I will want to think about this a bit; but I see that you have
done a good bit of that yourself.
...
Could the 'Get' function do the following? (I wonder)
Read sys_time into A;
Read sys_time into B;
return the larger of the two;
Again, it is pretty much a hack, but it would allow us to leave existing
code pretty much the same (except to call the function instead of
reading it directly) and also keep the sys_time handler the same.
Another similar approach would be...
disable irqs;
Clear sys_time_flag;
Read sys_time into A;
check sys_time_flag, if non-zero, reread sys_time into A;
enable irqs;
return A;
The sys_time handler would update sys_time and set the sys_time flag to
non-zero.
I doubt that the second read would take so long that the sys_time
handler could be invoked again.
...
I guess it comes down to:
sys_time is as accurate as possible, but it takes a bit of work to read it.
-- or --
sys_time is easy to read, but can be kept from updating by masking
interrupts off.
I am leaning toward the first situation myself.
Again, Good one Mark!
// Joe
Mark Riley wrote:
> As I was poking around in the BrickOS kernel, it
> occurred to me that using the sys_time variable isn't
> entirely safe. Since sys_time is 32-bits and the
> processor can only read 16-bits at a time into a
> register, there is a period of time between the
> instructions that read the upper and lower halves
> of sys_time where the interrupt that increments
> sys_time could fire and cause an inconsistent reading
> of sys_time to occur.
>
> The opportunity for the error to occur only happens
> every 65 seconds or so when the lower 16-bits of
> sys_time overflow (i.e. every 65536 milliseconds).
> And, even then it'll only manifest itself if the interrupt
> fires between the two instructions that read the upper
> and lower 16-bits of the sys_time variable. So, the
> chances of this occurring are exceedingly remote, but
> nonetheless possible.
>
> The bug is subtle, but if you were able to watch sys_time
> closely in my example program (below) you would see it
> increment as follows:
>
> 0x0014FFFE
> 0x0014FFFF
> 0x00140000
> 0x00150000
> 0x00150001
>
> Normally, sys_time would be safe to use by temporarily
> disabling interrupts like so:
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> disable_irqs();
> end_time = sys_time + TIMEOUT;
> enable_irqs();
>
> And, using sys_time in an ISR would not be a problem
> since interrupts are already disabled at that time.
>
> However, the kicker is that in the current version of
> BrickOS, the sys_time variable is updated by the
> watchdog timer on an NMI so the above solution won't
> work. It makes using sys_time in a normal ISR unsafe,
> as well.
>
> Possible solutions include:
>
> 1) Move the sys_time increment back to a normal
> IRQ and use the above code snippet when IRQs
> happen to be enabled.
>
> 2) Use a function that is immune to the problem to
> read sys_time (even when using sys_time in an ISR).
> Here is an example (though it's kind of a hack):
>
> extern time_t get_sys_time();
> __asm__("
> .text
> .align 1
> .global _get_sys_time
> _get_sys_time:
> mov.w @_sys_time+2,r1
> mov.w @_sys_time,r0
> mov.w @_sys_time+2,r2
> cmp r2,r1
> bne _get_sys_time
> rts
> ");
>
> BTW, I did test to see if this problem can actually
> happen. The following is a test program that
> will demonstrate the problem. You may need to run
> it 10-20 minutes (or more) for it to fail.
>
> #include <conio.h>
> #include <unistd.h>
> #include <time.h>
>
> int main(int argc, char **argv)
> {
> time_t a, b;
>
> cputs("test");
>
> do
> {
> a = sys_time;
> b = sys_time;
> }
> while (a <= b);
>
> cputs("fail");
>
> // so we don't power down (use AC power!)
> while (1);
>
> return 0;
> }
>
> The assembly code for the above is as follows.
> You can see the places where it would be bad
> for an NMI to occur.
>
> .file "sys_time_fail.c"
> .section .rodata
> .LC0:
> .ascii "test\0"
> .LC1:
> .ascii "fail\0"
> .section .text
> .align 1
> .global _main
> _main:
> push r4
> mov.w #.LC0,r0
> jsr @_cputs
> .L23:
> mov.w @_sys_time,r0
> ; please no NMI here!
> mov.w @_sys_time+2,r1
> mov.w @_sys_time,r2
> ; please no NMI here!
> mov.w @_sys_time+2,r3
> mov.w r2,r4
> cmp.w r4,r0
> bhi .L21
> bne .L23
> mov.w r3,r2
> cmp.w r2,r1
> bls .L23
> .L21:
> mov.w #.LC1,r0
> jsr @_cputs
> .L27:
> bra .L27
> .end
>
> Thanks for reading if you made it this far!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
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| (...) It turns out that the nature of the glitch depends on the order you read the upper and lower 16-bits of sys_time. If the compiler generates code that reads the high word first (which it seems to do), then your example will work. However, if (...) (22 years ago, 13-Dec-02, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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| As I was poking around in the BrickOS kernel, it occurred to me that using the sys_time variable isn't entirely safe. Since sys_time is 32-bits and the processor can only read 16-bits at a time into a register, there is a period of time between the (...) (22 years ago, 12-Dec-02, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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