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Re: Reducing voltage
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lugnet.trains, lugnet.robotics
Date: 
Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:57:15 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, David Laswell wrote:
Our club lets kids run the controller for one of the lines when we do certain
events (like, right now, with Detroit Festival of Trees), but we could use a way
to forcibly limit the speed on the line that they're allowed to run.  One way
that's really easy is to just build physical stops onto the top of the regulator
so the dial won't turn as far in either direction, but that makes it difficult
to actually operate the dial and won't be much fun for the kids.  The other
solution I just came up with would be to maybe limit the voltage going into the
regulator.  And that's where there's a problem.  LEGO power adapters, for some
odd reason, output in ~9vAC, not DC.  Finding an AC-AC power adapter is
difficult at best, and the only two that I can find through Radio Shack (the one
place I knew of that _does_ sell them) run 9-13vAC or 18-24vAC, which is not
going to help at all.  They do sell an adapter that goes as low as 3v, but it
outputs in DC instead of AC, and I'm not having much luck doing a generic
internet search for adapters that output in AC below 9v.  Does anyone know where
I might be able to find such a beast?

Also, is it safe to run LEGO trains on a regulator that's putting out DC voltage
when all LEGO devices are designed with the expectation of AC power input?  I
know this is an issue that caused a lot of people to burn out the power busses
on the RCX 1.0, which then led to the outright removal of the built-in power
adapter port on the RCX brick (and probably directly influenced the transition
to a power port that's built right into a battery pack for the NXT).

Failing that, would there be a safe way to step the power down _after_ it comes
out of the regulator?  Say, running the power to a 9v TECHNIC motor and then
gearing the speed down a bit before having a second 9v TECHNIC motor act as a
low-power generator?  The motor bogeys have to get a few rest periods throughout
the day or they'll overheat, which makes me really cautious about hooking up two
9v TECHNIC motors and forcing them to run 8-9 hours at a time.

Hello,

you can put AC or DC voltage at the input of the regulator with no problem as
long as you don't put more than 9VAC~14VDC.  The internal circuit will take
both.

So a quick fix that put 4.5~5V DC at the input will ouput about 3~3.2VDC at the
output.

Another option would be to modify the internal circuit so the  position 4-8 are
limited to about 3.1V as position 3. Need a (small) soldering iron and some
instruction. You can possibly find info on the web somewhere. I could put detail
later this week.

As for thr resistor inline with the wire, you would have to calculate for
position 8 and always use position 8 as other will be really really slow (ie not
moving).
for this a 22 or 24 ohm resistor should do 6W minimum and it will get warm.
2 12 ohm in series would also work (3W each).

For the RCX, the problem was that the internal component where not strong enough
to feed all the power giving by the power adaptor, so at full power, those
component burned before the adaptor was at it's limit which is not the  case
with the regulator.

Martin



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(...) You have to be careful here. The controller is designed to take AC or DC, but the input diodes that that convert the AC to DC are only rated for 1 Amp (1000 milliampres). Make sure your transformer/wallwart is not rated for more than this. (...) (15 years ago, 24-Nov-09, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.robotics)

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Our club lets kids run the controller for one of the lines when we do certain events (like, right now, with Detroit Festival of Trees), but we could use a way to forcibly limit the speed on the line that they're allowed to run. One way that's really (...) (15 years ago, 23-Nov-09, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.robotics)

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