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Re: MOC: Dutch Otherdam downtown and Suburbian home 'Wybert'
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lugnet.publish
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Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:00:04 GMT
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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> In lugnet.town, Amy Hughes writes:
> > In lugnet.town, Eric Brok writes:
> > > New on LEGO on my mind:
> > >
> > > *Otherdam downtown*
> >
> > Please use javascript sparingly. As far as I can tell it's used on these pages
> > to assemble frames, which is unnecessary. Some people surf with JS turned off,
> > because it's the medium through which much advertising, including pop-ups,
>
> Consider using a popup stopper... works wonders.
I hate JS with Netscape. Netscape goes on vacation for a minute or so
while it starts JS. And it does this for each page. Meanwhile, you look
for something else to do because you can't even go read Lugnet or
something in another window, because NS is totally on vacation, and
won't redraw screens.
And then everyonce in a while, I have to click through JS errors. MSIE
usually displays a readable page in the end. NS often just displays a
blank page, at which point I fumble around to start MSIE and copy the
link over.
I probably should just give up on NS completely (the main thing I use it
for is news reading, and it's just getting too painful to use Lugnet
from a newsreader - I've been considering writing a custom lugnet
newsreader which interfaces to the web interface yet provides all the
functions of a newsreader (plus a new marking I'd like for messages,
"come back to this one later" so that it can keep track of read messages
better). Of course I'd probably also set it up to be able to keep the
newsrc on an FTP site so I could have a unified read/unread list between
work and home. Of course considering who I work for, I won't be able to
share it...
> > is
> > delivered, and because it's buggy and is responsible for much of the
> > instability in bloatware browsers.
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> > JS was intended for form validation, and there's little of value beyond that
> > that people use it for. I'm particularly annoyed when someone has required it
> > to operate a button (completely unnecessary), or when I load a page
> > and nothing
> > displays (as happened here).
I definitely hate it when JS is used for something which is probably
easier to do in HTML (like re-directs). It's often pretty silly for
buttons.
> I use it on my color selector and I'd really have a hard time doing one
> without it, I think. (turn JS on for a sec, then try it)
> http://www.miltontrainworks.com/MTW-2001colorSelector_JS.html
> (then try the non JS version.. not veru useful)
>
> In general I am anti frame myself, though I recognise that others like them.
> You decide how to present things and that determines what subset you've
> included.
Well done frames are good. The shop.lego.com site would be a lot faster
I think if their basic menu and all was a frame which didn't have to be
reloaded every time you want to look at a different bunch of sets.
> I'm opposed to taking TOO much effort for hobby presentation just to
> accomodate fringes... at this time I'm starting to think that being entirely
> anti JS is a bit fringe though. Not sure. Interesting topic.
I no longer have the ability to complain about JS because it
consistently crashed my NS (I used to use NS 3.0 at work because NS in
their incredible improvements to UI eliminated what I consider the most
useful screen layout for news reading).
Frank
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