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Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism
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Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:05:41 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Brown writes:
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> > How is "operating under the assumption" different that "having faith in"?
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> > This, I think, is what we're stumbling around. I see them as one and the
> > same. I'm picking up from context that you think the definition of faith
> > requires a "without evidence whatsoever" clause.
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> Major snippage of worthy discussion, but the really important part is here.
> Rummaging for a dictionary...
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> faith
> 1. Complete confidence or trust.
> 2. Belief in God or the doctrines of religion.
> 3. A system of religious belief.
> 4. Loyality or fidelity.
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> There ya go. Probably not the best of dictionaries, but it was what was at
> hand. Operating under an assumption is not faith since I hardly have
> complete confidence in it. Some areas of science may infinitely approach
> complete trust, but since science pretty much holds that you need to be
> prepared to modify your conclusions, there isn't such a thing as complete
> trust in science.
Yup. I figured it was a definition thing after the first couple of messages
back and forth. I don't like the dictionary you're using. :) I have never
understood faith as "complete confidence or trust", but rather "confidence or
trust". With that modification, I think we're agreeing here. And FWIW, I
agree with you, if we're using your defintion. I don't have complete
confidence or trust in anything. But I do have a large degree of confidence or
trust in a lot of things.
FWIW:
Dictionary.com:
1.Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, an
idea, or a thing.
2.Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms
at trust.
3.Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's
supporters.
4.Often Faith. Theology. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God
and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5.The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6.A set of principles or beliefs.
www.m-w.com:
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's
promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the
traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which
there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially :
a system of religious beliefs
The definition that runs closest to my own understanding of the word is
dictionary.com's #1.
James
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| (...) #2 applies to yourself, and you are stretching #1 to apply to me and then are making the erroneus conclusion that they are equivalent. You further listing below does not support your assertation, and the further one I provided also doesn't. (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Major snippage of worthy discussion, but the really important part is here. Rummaging for a dictionary... faith 1. Complete confidence or trust. 2. Belief in God or the doctrines of religion. 3. A system of religious belief. 4. Loyality or (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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