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Re: Problems with Christianity
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Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:40:09 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Steve Chapple writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes:
> You could prove the existence of God or love in a court, but not a lab.
With great trepidation, I must ask: what makes you believe that?
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> 2. Christ's significance isn't limited to just what He said and did.
> You speak of Him in the past tense - it's not what He did - it's who He IS.
> Christmas and Easter are celebrations of the three most significant events
> in history - Christ's birth, death, and resurrection. (Even the very word
> history, comes from His_Story.) (I could go on at great length, but I
> don't think that's what you're after here.)
This is what I kept challenging John Neal about (and that he never directly
answered). What's more important: who Christ is, or what his message is?
His (and yours) opinions seem to be is that his message is important because
of who he is, not because of some inherent Truth to what he says. Is good
independent of God (and thus an atheist be able to lead a moral life), or
good only stems from knowing God? If the latter, *which* god?!? How do I
know? And I mean *know*, not just guess, or have a feeling for.
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> 3. I would say that where you spend eternity is of utmost importance.
> Christ spoke more about hell than He did about heaven. The answers
> to your questions are in the Bible.
So what did he say about purgatory?
:-)
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> 4. This country (consider me an American for the moment) was founded
> on Biblical standards/principles/values.
And English common law, and Masonic principles, and Greek philosphy, and
Roman values, and Viking pragmaticism, and theist outlooks, and Druidic
traditions and a whole host of other things.
> It's the very turning away from
> God that is the root cause of the problems (and problems is a rather
> drastic understatement) that are destroying our nation from within.
Which god?
How is the nation being destroyed? Every generation has problems to deal
with - we often think that every previous generation somehow had things
right when they were just as messed up as we are. Was the nation better
with more invasive religion and slavery?
> You said yourself that this fourth point is your main focus; I have a
> basic question for you - If you do not base your ethical principles on
> the Bible, upon what do you base them?
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> SRC
Let me answer it thusly: If God wanted me to think, He would have given me a
brain capable of doing so.
If you think that one through, you should be able to answer your own question.
-->Bruce<--
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| (...) We can't say which is more important, because Christ and His message are integral parts of each other. If I say God is love and you ask me which is more important, God or love, how can I answer? Can an atheist lead a moral life? Certainly. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) That's good - many just blindly proceed along the path to destruction. Christ Himself said "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate (...) (24 years ago, 15-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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