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Re: Religion and Science
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Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:28:58 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Selçuk Göre writes:
> > Ack, "Muhammadism" is a lousy term. It's a coinage of 18/19th-C.
> > Orientalism, designed to denigrate Islam by reducing it to its
> > Prophet. Muslims don't believe Muhammad was a (er, the) deity.
> > They *do* deny Jesus's inherent divinity, but not his divine
> > inspiration. The importance to them is that Muhammad was the
> > *last* Prophet of God, and so carries the "final build", if you
> > will, of His Word. I'm not sure Islam denies Christianity,
> > however--they refer to Christians as "people of the Book."
> > Misguided people, but honestly so, and thus still kin.
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> You are mostly true here. Islam accepts Jesus (Isa) and Moses
> (Musa) as prophets of the god, just like many others (I think 24-25 of
> them are mentioned in Koran by name, including Adam/Adem
> Solomon/Süleyman, Simon/Ismail, Abraham/Ibrahim, Noah/Nuh, David/Davud,
> etc., but it also claims that "there were too many more") but declares
> that Muhammed is the last one, and unlike other religions (books), Islam
> (Koran) is sent to the "whole universe" (others are for specific tribes)
> as well as being the last and complete one. Islam accepts Christianity
> is a religion from god and Jesus is his prophet, but also declares that
> bible changed a lot, and christianity is not the same one as initially
> intended anymore. Additionally, it strongly denies "son of god" issue,
> since this is very contradicting to "god is one and only" claim and
> insisting otherwise is the biggest sin according to Islam.
Moses is Musa? That explains the name of the great king of
Mali (Mansa Musa). Hadn't known about that connection before!
Thanks too for the "whole universe" cite--that's a bit that
I didn't know either. (An excellent way to anticipate quandaries,
methinks!)
> > Islam has the great attractions that its only holy book was
> > most definitely written by one person (although again, 'from
> > the mouth of God'). The historical records are also a heck
> > of a lot better, although the miracle issue is just as foggy.
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> Yes, in Topkapi Palace in Istanbul, there are hand written copies of
> Koran dated back to several years after Muhammmed's death, which are
> exactly same as the ones used today. If something was changed, it was
> changed very early. Actually the first written copy of Koran is said to
> be prepared by Ebubekir (the first ruler after Muhammed), just after the
> death of Muhammed. Before that, they are separate documents, not a
> complete book, so there is still a possibility that it might be
> changed.
That's probably the strongest thing, from a sociological
standpoint, about Islam--its very coherent early history
and the vital stipulation that the Quran is only holy in
Arabic (and in its original form). There are commentaries
upon commentaries--some quite early--but the core document
is confirmed not to have shifted since the lifetime of its
author (or inscriber, if you will). Amazing, the unity that
can provide (Shi'i/Sunni split notwithstanding).
best
LFB
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| (...) You are mostly true here. Islam accepts Jesus (Isa) and Moses (Musa) as prophets of the god, just like many others (I think 24-25 of them are mentioned in Koran by name, including Adam/Adem Solomon/Süleyman, Simon/Ismail, Abraham/Ibrahim, (...) (24 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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