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Subject:	Re: Libertarian debate in danger of pollution (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:25:33 GMT
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:G4uqp9.HKB@lugnet.com... > There's a difference, though, between understanding something and • proving > it exists. Even if a thing is infinite, if it has any perceptible > interaction in the universe it can (in theory, at least) be proven to • exist, > even if we have no hope of contemplating its entirety. And I believe that God can, in the form of his interaction here on earth being attributed to him properly. I just haven't studied the incidents myself to be able to construct an argument based on it. I have heard others speak of such, though, but I won't continue to make this case now because I don't know firsthand. > > I'm not saying proof is bad, I believe that proof is good and in my > > ponderings I will seek to put importance on it. But I'm saying that if • you > > were to search out a god for whatever reason, you can't limit yourself to > > just proof because there may be an existence outside the realm of the > > humanly proveable. > > If one discounts the value of or refuses to accept faith, then proof • isn't > a stumbling block at all. This also falls under the subject of "if you • can > prove it, faith is irrelevant, and if you have faith, proof is irrelevant." You can say that is true, but I prefer to believe that faith and evidence and even personal experience all contribute to one's proof of God. -- Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com http://www.ldraw.org - Centralized LDraw Resources http://www.zacktron.com - Zacktron Alliance ICQ: 23951114 - AIM: TimCourtne

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		Re: Libertarian debate in danger of pollution (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) That's fine on a personal level, but you have to recognize that faith, evidence(1), and personal experience will never prove His existence to anoter person, as long as that person is objective and subjects your assertions to critical analysis. (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Libertarian debate in danger of pollution (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) There's a difference, though, between understanding something and proving it exists. Even if a thing is infinite, if it has any perceptible interaction in the universe it can (in theory, at least) be proven to exist, even if we have no hope of (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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