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Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:16:49 GMT
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johnneal@uswest.%nomorespam%net
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Christopher Weeks wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
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> > > I would search for a way to help them remedy the harm that they caused. If
> > > they are mentally broken, I would therapise them (I suppose, by force, even
> > > though I'm uncomfortable with that), and if they were too broken, I would
> > > incarcerate them while letting them do whatever they could to make up for • their
> > > mistakes.
> >
> > What if they were unrepentant? (I'm innocent!)
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> So what? I assume that most criminals in today's society are unrepentant.
I was referring to criminals *in* prison-- if most assert innocence, I doubt they
would be willing to work to make reparations.
> > My point was that letting
> > criminals sit around for the rest of their lives in prison with all of their • needs
> > provided for and more is hardly justice
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> Well, that is clearly not what I advocated above, so I'm not sure why you're
> pointing this out to me. They should be employed in the endevor of remedying
> the injustice that they casued in their crime. If they are doing all that is
> possible to make amends, then that's all you can ask for.
I think we agree that criminals should *work* to make reparations. All I'm
pointing out is that, *in our current system*, criminals just sit around watching
cable, eat 4 squares, etc, etc, and I don't consider that as a payment of their
debt to society *justice*. At least (*in our current system*) if a criminal is
executed according to law (and he is indeed guilty), justice is done. All I am
saying is that simple incarceration isn't enough, and simple incarceration with
all of the amenities (our current system) is an affront to my sensibilities.
> > Simple incarceration is not enough.
> > *Forcing* them to work to make reparations is the answer, IMO.
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> You only force them when needed. After therapy, they will be reasonable and
> will seek to remedy their wrong.
Naive. Criminals are lazy, and for the most part, uneducated. They don't care
about being rehabilitated. They don't care much about anything but themselves at
all.
> > As far as
> > rehabilitation goes, I'm not sure that that is possible for such individuals.
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> Not sure means what? That such an attempt is worthless? Many people have
> rehabilitated in prison.
Yeah, and many more have been "rehabilitated" and enter society, only to pick up
their life of crime where they left off. The percentage of crime committed in
this country by repeat offenders is unbelievably high (although I haven't the
figure, I believe it is above 80% IIRC. Someone please correct me if I am
wrong).
> Many more would if that was what the prison system
> was striving for.
It is not the function of prison to rehabilitate; but to incarcerate.
-John
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