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Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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Date: 
Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:13:39 GMT
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Christopher Weeks wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jeremy H. Sproat writes:
> > Why not?  I mean, what makes cockfighting more violent than, say, Star Wars?
> I guess that I think Cockfighting is really absurdly bad for two
> reasons.  One is because it promotes the enjoyment of pain, suffering, and
> humiliation in the human participants.  I think that many of the problems in
> our world are rooted in the enjoyment of the suffering of others.  The
> other reason is that it is patently immoral to force critters to fight to
> death for my amusement.

Well said.

> While StarWars contained the depiction of a certain
> amount of suffering, it was not the main point of the movie, and it was largely
> an obsticle set in place to be overcome by the characters.

I beg to differ here.  How many people go to see Star Wars for the *snicker*
storyline?  Most everyone I know want to see the cool weapons, the cool
starfighters, the cool battles, and the cool bad guys.  How is this not
entertainment based upon the suffering of others?

> > note:  I feel that cockfighting is bad, but I just haven't seen a good enough
> > explanation to justify that feeling to myself...
> Are you not opposed to slavery and murder, or do you just think that chickens
> don't count?

Oh yes, I am opposed to slavery and murder.  I don't think the chickes
necessarily count because, well, they're dumb food animals.  Likewise, I don't
have a fit when I step on an ant or even when I hit an animal on the road.
OTOH, see my reply to Larry's message -- I think it's still wrong, but due to
psychological reasons, and karma.

Cheers,
- jsproat

--
Jeremy H. Sproat <jsproat@io.com> ~~~ http://www.io.com/~jsproat/
Uh, two.  Including this one.



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(...) It depends what you're looking for in a storyline. Certainly some of the story is vapid, but as a redemption myth (both Han's and Vader's), the original trilogy overall has real worth. That's why, in itself, TPM is weaker than the original (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
 
(...) Cockfighting causes more pain than StarWars. But I think that comparing Pokemon to SW is a somewhat more valid and interesting situation. I guess that I think Cockfighting is really absurdly bad for two reasons. One is because it promotes the (...) (26 years ago, 17-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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