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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ed Jones writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ed Jones writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > [snip a bunch a debate bait]
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> > > But I won't bother debating this with you further as you seem to hold the
> > > opinion that those with AIDS should have known better, deserve their fate so
> > > let them die. It is an inhumane statement of the "80's ME" generation.
> >
> > Who says you've *been* debating? Not me. What you've been doing is ducking.
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> I'm ducking, yeah right. You have repeatedly made the statements in this
> thread that those who have AIDS should have known better and deserve their • fate
> . Yet you neither acknowledge or deny my asertation of your stand.
Cite please. I never said precisely that. What I did say is that those who
catch it NOW through their own poor choices should know better. I did not make
the sweeping generalization you claim. I've never said that those who get it
through no fault of their own deserve their fate. Be precise please.
Mike's right, you do seem incapable of acknowledging the fundamental concept
that we have a responsibility for our actions and a need to accept the
consequences of them. This is endemic to your past stances on a multitude of
debate topics. Too bad, really.
Please precisely answer with yes or no: Do people need to take
(moral/financial) responsibility for things that they choose to do, things that
entail risk, or don't they? Whenever I pose an analogy that more clearly
delineates that question, you refuse to answer.
Please precisely answer with yes or no: Is it appropriate in a mixed economy to
carry out an cost benefit analysis of various social programs and make the
decision of which to fund based on which apparently have the most benefit?
(leaving aside the question of whether we should have a mixed economy in the
first place, because we already know your answer, yes, and mine, no)
Please precisely answer with yes or no: Is it appropriate in a mixed economy to
allocate social program dollars based on which lobbying group contributes the
most or makes the most noise on TV?
My answers, yes, yes, no.
Based on your words so far, yours SEEM to be no, no, yes. If you agree with my
answers you've got some recanting to do. That's assuming you don't squirm away
again with generalities you accuse me of not responding to. Stay on point.
> Wrong again, I find people who bass every debate they have on their wallet
> heartless.
> Yeah Lar, right, you have more compassion. Not when every opinion you
> hold/state is based on how it affects your wallet.
If that's how you choose to characterise it. I prefer to (more accurately)
characterise it that I base every debate on the notion of personal
responsibility and the acknowledgement of cause and effect. There are no free
goods and no ducking responsibility. You've never admitted that point.
Acknowledging that, and acknowledging that in order to make the illusion of
free goods appear to be happening so that one can appear "compassionate" in
front of the TV cameras means that we are taking those goods away from someone
else at the point of a gun does indeed make me more compassionate than you. My
compassion is for the deserving, while yours is for the rotter. Therefore mine
is far superior to yours.
++Lar
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: [snip] (...) that (...) to (...) to (...) You'll get my answers once you have answered my question (which YOU have refused to answer and I am now asking now for the THIRD time) - Most AIDS victims (...) (25 years ago, 11-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: [snip] (...) that (...) Ah, Hobson's choice number one. I'll choose the LAR method - coin flip says - NO. However, your question (and your eternal preaching on this subject) makes the asumption (...) (25 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I'm ducking, yeah right. You have repeatedly made the statements in this thread that those who have AIDS should have known better and deserve their fate . Yet you neither acknowledge or deny my asertation of your stand. (...) Really, I'm (...) (25 years ago, 11-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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