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Re: Trying to understand
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:23:26 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > > Trigger locks increase the time it takes (me, anyway) to get my gun
> > > ready to use, when I am operating in total darkness and in silent mode,
> > > by a large enough amount that they seriously decrease my personal
> > > safety. Where would you like me to keep the key to a trigger lock so
> > > that I can find it in the dark without making any noise but so that it's
> > > safe from my kids finding it? My kids are clever but not persistent
> > > enough to guess a 4 digit combination lock.
> >
> >
> > That is a good point. However, I still feel that the trigger locks
> > should be in place when a gun is sold. Whether or not they remain
> > there after the gun is sold, I have no control of.
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> My issue there is the slippery slope. Just as with seatbelts. Note well that I
> support seat belt usage and I've even come to terms with mandatory seat belt
> usage. But once locks are required to be shipped, it's not much of a stretch
> to "required to be used at all times"
Ahh! Now I see what you're saying. That is a valid fear.
I don't see that particular scenerio coming about though. It's too hard to
enforce a law like that as a primary infraction. In order to enforce it,
enforcement agencies would have to make periodic inspections to see if you are
complying with the law, which would turn into an unreasonable search (and
possibly seizure) in my mind. That is something that I'm against.
Seat belts are a little different because they are something that can be seen
from outside of a vehicle. An officer can come up along side the car and tell
whether or not you are wearing it without actually searching the car. A gun can
be concealed in a car or home. To determine if the gun has a lock on it would
require that it either be within plain sight, or as the result of a search.
If I recall correctly, (in Colorado) not wearing your seatbelt is a secondary
offense for which you cannot be pulled over, but if you are pulled over for
some other offense and are not wearing it you could then be ticketed for it.
Could the trigger lock scenerio not be structured the same way? Not punishable
as a primary infraction?
> > Having the lock in place to me, reinforces the
> > notion to the buyer that the gun is not a toy and that special precautions
> > need to be taken with it to avoid accidents.
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> > > Trigger locks are a direct attack on the notion of using a gun in self
> > > defense.
> >
> > Could you expand on this statement for me.
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> See above. If their use becomes mandatory, it interferes with the ability to
> use a gun in home defense for reasons I outlined.
I wonder if trigger locks would be applied to police departments and the
military too? :-) Now THAT would be interesting.
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> ++Lar
-Duane
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| (...) Oh, I can imagine what police officers would have to go through, I am sorry, sir, I need to get my target lock key out first, before we can have an exchange of gunfire, ok? Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems (...) (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) One reason the gov't is so rabid about seatbelts is because a lot of the medical treatment provided to accident victims (often greatly in excess of existing insurance coverage) comes from public funds. Likewise, the argument goes, since a (...) (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) My issue there is the slippery slope. Just as with seatbelts. Note well that I support seat belt usage and I've even come to terms with mandatory seat belt usage. But once locks are required to be shipped, it's not much of a stretch to (...) (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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