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Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:03:31 GMT
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mattdm@mattdm.{stopspammers}org
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Scott E. Sanburn <ssanburn@cleanweb.net> wrote:
> Well, it speaks (Looking at my CATO supplied Constitution & Bill of
> Rights) , "the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature
> and of Nature's God...." for one (In the Declaration of Independence).
Yes. The Declaration of Independence is very much not the Constitution. In
fact, interesting to consider that this language, so obvious in the
declaration, is so conspicuously not in the constitution.
> The concept of natural law, in which the founders thought of when
> writing the Constitution and Bill of Rights, is that there is a higher
> power than man, one where our rights deprive. These men, 52 of 55 where
Yes. Foundationalism is nice, when you've got it.
I'm not sure that this tangent really is going to go anywhere though. What
the founders of this particular nation thought they were doing when they
drew up the constitution is an interesting case study, but doesn't
give an definite answer to the question of the origin of rights.
> Were in the Bill of Rights or Constitution does it say we have a right
> to all the things the UN says we do? I don't think of the UN as anything
> more than a left wing propaganda machine.
Wait, now you believe that rights are created by the constitution? What
happened to natural law?
Amendment 9, in fact, says "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain
rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the
people."
> Do you have a right to "watch movies in peace"? The only rights I see
So, to go back to the canonical example: if not some other right, what makes
it so I shouldn't yell fire in a theatre? Doesn't that abridge my free
speech right? Or, what about cases of libel? Or, to bring in the other
discussion, child pornography or snuff films? Isn't it against the
first-amendment rights to say that these things can't be published?
> are guaranteed by the US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. Not by
> the UN. I do not think we are under the UN flag yet, we are under the
> US.
Again, I wasn't saying that these rights should somehow come from the UN.
And you seem to agree with me (although we disagree about the source) when
you say that rights come from God/Nature.
--
Matthew Miller ---> mattdm@mattdm.org
Quotes 'R' Us ---> http://quotes-r-us.org/
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