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Re: Figure it out
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Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:32:01 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > Using an unjust law to have something legal removed from a website (something
> > > > that had been up for months) is immoral. It may be legal but there are very few
> > > > people outside the legal departments of multinational entertainment companies or
> > > > the ruling parties in dictatorships that consider a law that holds someone
> > > > guilty until proven innocent to be moral.
> > > >
> > > > So my moral ground is that you have recently, and maliciously, used immoral
> > > > means to attack me freedom of speech.
You still as a fellow Lego Fan, took another LUGNET member's pictures repeatedly
from Brickshelf to use in a mean spirited manner is completely uncool for what
ever your reasons. Until You, Kevoh, Jude and Soren used my pictures to wage
your little payback wars is what you all seem to enjoy doing.
Including transmitting lewd pictures to me courtesy Soren. But Hey, that's
"non-LUGNET", so Internalise and move on" right?
Keeping to LUGNET, I am happy to just build and post my creations, offer feed
back where I can, offer expertise, and share Lego Stuff. Only.
What I won't do is use profanity, (never have) - won't threaten, as I did with
you Tim, for being pushed after the first time you stole my picture. For that I
offer an apology. I am showing remorse.
What is currently the context I would like to put it in?
Is that your payback exceeds the misdeeds. The hunt is no longer about the prey,
it is about the pound of the drums in the march.
> > > > Tim
> > >
> > > I couldn't give a rats ass about DMCA, 'fair usage', 'freedom of speech' or '1st
> > > ammendment rights' or whatever people are going on about now--it's all
> > > obfuscating the actual issue.
> >
> > --snip--
> > >
> > > Someone changed and 'mislinked' Erics creations in the sidebar of Technic to a
> > > different pic that wasn't Erics.
> > >
> > > It wasn't suitable behaviour, as DaveE stated. This has nothing to do with
> > > copyrights or 'free use' or Eric's response--the links in the sidebar that were
> > > linking to Eric's creations--and only Eric's creations--were tampered with and
> > > FOR THIS ALONE Eric deserves an apology (if it is shown that it was done
> > > intentionally and maliciously, and right now, just by understanding 'the usual
> > > suspects' and the history of some LUGNETters regarding Eric, I really can't
> > > believe that it wasn't malicious in intent and execution).
> > >
> > > All other yippage by all parties (including me, so it seems) is specifically
> > > irrelevant to this point.
> > >
> > > Dave K
> >
> > If you think that Eric deserves an apology then perhaps you should apologise to
> > him. Since you had as much to do with the original issue as I did then you owe
> > him an apology as much as I do. Furthermore I've never argued that the original
> > issue was right, you've never argued that the original issue is right.
> >
> > As for the post you quote: Eric asked me a question. I answered it. That's what
> > I do when I'm asked questions. That is part of discussion. Even more to the
> > point it's in .off-topic.debate which means it can be a debate style discussion.
> >
> > Tim
>
> Once again obfuscation--my replies to your comments--
>
> 'I’ve stayed out of this thread until this comment. There is no evidence that
> Eric is in anyway better than this. There is plenty of evidence that he is not.
> Just because people get a rise out of him doesn’t mean he is well-behaved. I had
> minimal history with Eric until I dared to point out his TOU violation and after
> that he launched a full-scale attack on me. I am not the first person and I’m
> not the last person this has happened to.
>
> Yes. Eric’s taunters are badly behaved (myself included) but this doesn’t stop
> Eric from being badly behaved. For you to argue that he isn’t and that others
> are completely ignores the body of evidence to the contrary. In no way will I
> argue that one side is always right and the other side is always wrong but I
> feel you set a dangerous precedent by essentially doing that yourself.
>
> '
>
> were legitimate in pointing out how you are dredging up his past transgresisons
> in order for those who have done 'ill will' now to be at least 'legitimized'.
> My suddenly pointing out that the 'original sin' hasn't as yet been apologized
> for should, in no way, let you 'off the hook' for setting up a straw man
> arguement--'you didn't notice his transgressions in the past so you're setting a
> dangerous precedent' As stated, I am quite aware of some of the shenannegans
> that happened over the years at LUGNET. Sometimes I find myself right in the
> middle. I, rightly, pointed out that Eric has been better, that you (and
> others) dont' see that, and you, and others, are more than willing to let those
> that 'poke fun' of Eric have a 'bye' on the sheer 'principle' that, since Eric's
> been an idiot *before* in your books, he deserves what he gets. Or am I
> misrepresenting all the allusions to same from your posts (as well as others)
> Yes you didn't explicitly say that, but the tone of your posts (as well as
> others) is, in my opinion, stating just that--Eric=bad. Sure other's poking fun
> at him=bad, but hey, Eric=bad so eh, whatever.
Wait wait, Dave, these are pro trolls here, you gotta say , "Whateva..." and
then they'll get what you are saying. NoisayinG. Bro I gots ta schools ya's?
> Aren't all of us better than this? Once again, this point always seems to get
> missed.
>
> "but... but... but... Eric's a bad seed!!! He done me wrong before!!!!"
>
> Yeah, since this discussion has degraded to this level of maturity, then I'll
> taunt right back using the parlance of that maturity--'I know he was, what about
> you?"
>
> As for debate, I'm all for it. That way people can get it out of their
> system(s) and we can all move on to a (hopefully) more mature level.
>
> But again, I'm always the eternal optimist.
>
> Dave K
Dave it is quite refreshing to see such a balanced view point.
I am making a green quad, (I know but I like the 49.6x28 VR tyre, so I am making
a quad for it)when I am done, I will post it and we'll take it from there, we'll
give this "on good behavior observation thing" a try. Say, for all involved?
Keep an eye on me and the others, less we return to OTD, where I can get some
justice (Justus!) or smack down from the Curator Lords of Off-topic-debate!
-Tim, I know what you don't like about the things I have done before, trust me
they are only in reaction to things you have done, so here we are, your payback
has more than equaled the few spats we have had.
I am not inclined to continue. I just want to build this green Mech, and make my
date for Valentine's Day! Whoot Whoot!
Play well?
-Eric
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| (...) --snip-- (...) Thank you for your apology. I too am sorry I sent you the profane image yesterday (and for what it's worth it was never made public and I'd deleted it from online long before I wrote to you). You are however completely wrong (...) (18 years ago, 14-Feb-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Once again obfuscation--my replies to your comments-- 'I’ve stayed out of this thread until this comment. There is no evidence that Eric is in anyway better than this. There is plenty of evidence that he is not. Just because people get a rise (...) (18 years ago, 14-Feb-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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