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Re: We just never seem to learn, do we?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:28:08 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Avery Christy wrote:
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First of all, the article:
Article
and now, to put it into some perspective:
Perspective
-Avery
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Except that the argument there is not an example of the fallacy. He is
comparing right-wing organisations who propose the banning of gay groups to
a rather famous right-wing organisation which banned gay groups which is a
perfectly valid analogy.
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However, the quote given doesn’t logically link up. He mentions something
historical about Hitler, but doesn’t link it to his argument. Further, his
argument is made without using the Hitler reference - his only note is that
we need to remember that Hitler did it.
“We cannot forget that when Hitler came to power in 1933, one of the first
things that he did was ban gay organizations,” Yoffie said. “Yes, we can
disagree about gay marriage. But there is no excuse for hateful rhetoric that
fuels the hellfires of anti-gay bigotry.”
Personally I dislike WW2 references in arguments because they are too easy.
“You believe in national sovereignty? So, that means Hitler should have been
able to kill the Jews - since he was sovereign?” A friend of mine has a
debating rule which I love: first person to mention Hitler, or the Nazis,
loses.
;)
-Lenny
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I agree that the argument is not logically complete, but it is still not an
example of the fallacy. The fallacy applies when it is used to link activities
which were not a major part of the ‘evil’ Nazi activities to ‘evil’. In this
case he is clearly comparing like with like (ie. right wing groups with anti-gay
agendas). He is making the point that it there is a logical step from one to the
next, which there wouldn’t be under the fallacy.
Tim
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| (...) However, the quote given doesn't logically link up. He mentions something historical about Hitler, but doesn't link it to his argument. Further, his argument is made without using the Hitler reference - his only note is that we need to (...) (19 years ago, 20-Nov-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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