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Re: 2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?
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Date: 
Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:51:11 GMT
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Frank Filz wrote:

> Tom Stangl, VFAQman wrote:
> > 
> > Actually, NO, with the available evidence (i.e. NOTHING said from TLC so far), it
> > is correct, not wishful thinking.
> 
> We have ONE point of reasonably solid information in this subject:
> 
> We have a statement from a TLC employee that they could be FIRED for
> showing a consumer the retailers catalog.
> 
> Well ok, we have two pieces of evidence. The only way TLC has come down
> on fan websites is when they use LEGO in their site name.
> 
> It would seem from this that TLC does not care about how their
> intellectual property is used by fans on the web, so long as it is
> absolutely clear that a fan site is NOT a TLC site.
> 
> But there is also a hidden significant item. The two fan sites which
> stretch the "fair use" clause the most, are also very restrained, and
> would never consider publishing this information.
> 
> Think about that. What is the possibility that Brickshelf and Pause are
> allowed to exist because the editors of those resources have
> consistently shown restraint, and respect of TLC's intellectual
> property?

I'm pretty sure Lugnet and Brickshelf DO still exist because of this.  However....


> How would you feel if TLC decides that fan abuse of their intellectual
> property is such that they will come in and shut down EVERY fan site
> which references the brick (check out what TSR Hobbies did to Dungeons
> and Dragons web sites if you want to see how a company could chose to
> react).

That would be a MAJOR shift from their current Fair Use Policy, and I'd expect them to
post such a change on lego.com and put a pointer to it.  And until they DO post
something, I still am going to assume they HAVE A CLUE, KNOW about this furor, and
choose to ignore it (because if they haven't commented on it because their Legal/Mktg
are dragging their butts, they need to hire new people in those depts - they are PAID
to act quickly when necessary).


> Where would we be then? You can darn well bet that if TLC decided to
> take such a position, anyone trying to maintain such a site on the web
> would find themselves in court. Heck, they might even be able to shut
> down Lugnet completely.

And I think TLC has the brains to know that that would do nothing except HURT sales of
Lego, so it would be counterproductive.  At least I hope they know that.  Give them
some credit, I do.


> The way I read TLC's position is that restrained and respectfull use of
> their intellectual property (which implies not publishing information
> "too early") wins their respect, and the biggest element of that respect
> is allowing such use to continue.

Yes, and until I see otherwise from TLC, I consider the "illegal 2000 scans" to be
"restrained and respectful use".  I really DO want to hear from TLC about it, one way
or the other.  Then I will respect their wishes (note I have only posted an HTML file
to easily view the pics, I have not posted, nor will I post/email, the pics to anyone).



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| Tom Stangl, Technical Support          Netscape Communications Corp
|      Please do not associate my personal views with my employer



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  Pastel = Profit (Was Re: 2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?)
 
(...) What do you think they will say, bearing in mind that these are secret, not for public use documents? Hearing the phrase "pastel = profit" from a 1993 retailers catalogue may seem funny or harmless. But it makes me dislike the girly LEGO even (...) (27 years ago, 9-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)

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  Re: 2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?
 
(...) We have ONE point of reasonably solid information in this subject: We have a statement from a TLC employee that they could be FIRED for showing a consumer the retailers catalog. Well ok, we have two pieces of evidence. The only way TLC has (...) (27 years ago, 8-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)

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