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Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:28:22 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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much of the resistence is coming
from outside of Iraq, not from an overwhelming majority of the Iraqis
themselves. We are talking about a few 1,000 insurgents in a country of
millions.
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I know that John doesn’t hang out in OT.Debate much anymore, and this isn’t
really an attempt to refute the claim he makes in this paragraph, but I
recalled his statement when I read
this. A
few 1,000 indeed.
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Maybe the Iraqi ‘insurgents’ are attempting to defend their homeland
from a foreign aggressor?
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What will these insurgents think about the new Democratically elected Iraqi
government when it happens? This has nothing to do with the US.
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Other thoughts re: a nominally Democratically elected Iraqi government:
Dick Cheney, Sec. Defense, in 1991:
“If you’re going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein,you have to go
to Baghdad. Once you’ve got Baghdad, it’s not clear what you do with it. It’s
not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that’s
currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a
Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts
toward the Islamic fundamentalists?
How much credibility is that government going to have if it’s set up by the
United States military when it’s there? How long does the United States
military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that government,
and what happens to it once we leave?”
Read more here.
And George W. Bush, Titled Commoner, in 1998:
“Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United
Nations’ mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international
response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion
route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a
bitterly hostile land.”
Read more here.
Hmm...
Dave!
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Dave,
that is all well and good, but those quotes are from before Iraq launched the
911(tm) attacks on the USA… please don’t over look that… er… fact.
Bush (Jr): We have learned that terrorist attacks are not caused by the use of
strength; they are invited by the perception of weakness. And the surest way to
avoid attacks on our own people is to engage the enemy where he lives and plans.
We are fighting that enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan today so that we do not meet
him again on our own streets, in our own cities.
Scott A
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