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Re: Atheism (was: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:52:37 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Laswell wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote:
> > And the SC had the opportunity to make a ruling supporting the common man's
> > stance on the wording of the pledge and chose to stick to the limited legal
> > point. While I agree with their choice, I think the fact that they took that
> > road does provide some evidence that they agree with the 9th district. If
> > they flatly disagreed, they would have been tempted (and able) to make a more
> > sweeping indictment of Newdow's claims.
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> Firstly, I think "common man" is a bit inappropriate here, since it very
> inaccurately suggests that the majority of Americans are opposed to pledging
> "Under God" (remember that many non-church-goers still consider themselves to be
> religious).
Actually, I think you need to reread what I wrote. I think the common man's
stance is that the POA is fine as is. That's what the court could have
asserted.
> > It is just so with a god. I can't claim certainty of knowledge. But I do
> > believe, because of the complete lack of evidence where it seems that some
> > would be quite likely, in the "utter absence of a god." Atheism seems to
> > most accurately capture truth, so that's what I consider myself.
> >
> > If I took my shoes off and found purple toes, I'd change my mind. If a god
> > presented himself, I like to think that I'd remain open to changing my mind.
> > But there's no zeal to my toe-color fixation.
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> And thus you've described the difference between belief and fact. Until
> presented with evidence that proves to you specifically, beyond a doubt, that
> "god" does or does not exist, you can only believe.
And this "difference between belief and fact" is what you're claiming underpins
the difference between agnosticism and atheism? But a Christian only has the
belief too, so are they agnostic?
Chris
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