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Re: Question for the Conservatives out there
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Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:23:21 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote:
> OK, I was totally wrong. The US pretends that dual citizenship doesn't
> exist. It's neither expressly forbidden nor permitted.
It is forbidden, but not very strongly. It's basically under optional
enforcement, so the US can revoke your citizenship whenever it's convenient as
long as it can be proven that you've done something that warrants such action.
Technically the way it works is that the US can't take your citizenship away
from you, but they can decide that certain actions constitute proof that you
have freely chosen to give it up, including becoming a citizen or national of a
foreign nation after birth. Multiple citizenship by birth skirts around this
issue because the way the law is worded says that you must have chosen to
perform such actions voluntarily and with the intent of losing your citizenship,
neither of which is possible when you're a drooling newborn.
When you take the Oath of Allegience (not to be confused with the Pledge that we
all said in grade school), you renounce all other "allegience and fidelity" to
any other nation, effectively renouncing any standing claims of foreign
citizenship as well.
> Dual citizens primarily risk losing their citizenship by participating in
> the military of a foreign land, even if they're citizens there (except
> Israel, somehow).
Participating in a foreign military when that nation is at war with the US is
just cause for revoking your US citizenship (the fact that Al-Qaeda isn't
recognized as a "foreign military" is the technicality that was used against
what's-his-name to declare him an "illegal combatant" instead of an ex-citizen
POW). As long as we're not at war with Israel, and you're not required to
recite an Oath of Allegience or become a foreign national to enlist, you're
clear and free on that. The entire basis of the French Foreign Legion was that
they could have people who weren't French citizens/nationals fight for them in
North Africa. US volunteers fought on the behalf of both China and the UK prior
to Pearl Harbor in WWII without having their citizenship revoked.
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| (...) OK, I was totally wrong. The US pretends that dual citizenship doesn't exist. It's neither expressly forbidden nor permitted. Some nations, like Germany expressly forbid it. Dual citizens primarily risk losing their citizenship by (...) (20 years ago, 19-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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